Libertarian/Voluntarist Christians

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by EJR914, Oct 24, 2016.

  1. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    This thread is mainly for Christians to discuss politics and why they believe their politics match up the closest with what God says in His Bible. Christian Anarchy is the most consistent position if one takes an honest look at the old testament, and even a few things Jesus said, even in the riddle to confuse the Pharisees, so He could postpone the goverment jailing Him or killing Him early before God's perfect timing. Romans 5.

    Marxist/Socialist Christians on the left justifying all types of theft so they can turn around and give it to people who did nothing to earn it honestly, corporate or individually, and Pro-war Christians on the right are actually both in the tyranny column. You cannot be truly Pro-life if you are Pro-war as we see from constant war mongers who can always fund a way to rationalize and support any war, any intervention, aggression, coercion by the state.

    Some of the best well-researched Biblical arguments I have ever heard about Libertarian/Voluntarist Christians can be found here.

    Topics discussed:

    Give it a listen, it will be worth your time:

    http://libertariansonfire.com/libertarian-christians-oxymoron-or-perfect-fit-lof-18/

    After a listen, come back here to give us your thoughts and let's have a discussion.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2016
  2. Schweisshund

    Schweisshund Well-Known Member

    8,732
    304
    83
    The Bible is very clear about the role a Christian must play in regards to government authority. A Christian is supposed to obey the law, and obey the government in place. The Bible is also clear about the role that government authority must take. The government is supposed to treat us fairly and justly.

    When there is a contradiction, i.e. when the government imposes a law that is against God's law, and is direct disobedience to God, we are to disobey Government and have faith in God (For God created the government just as he has created us).

    This goes back to the very first form of government we experience in life - our parents. God commanded us to respect and obey our parents "for this is right". But God also commanded parents to treat children with respect and fairness.

    When a parent is abusive, it hurts the children. When a parent deceives the other parent, it creates an environment that is hostile to the children and divides the family. When a parent's private emails are leaked by wikileaks and exposes fraud and corruption, the children may still love and support that parent, but they will never trust them again.

    trust is lost forever.
     

  3. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

    27,543
    687
    113
    Jesus was not an anarchist. He didn't himself participate in government (nor did he marry, or do numerous other normal things for men of his age and circumstances).
    But he did not advocate against government either-- not by overthrowing it, nor by just resigning from it and leaving the area where any civil rules claimed to rule.

    John the Baptist was a holy man and prophet of God. Jesus said so in Matthew 11:9.

    John the Baptist was asked by tax collectors and soldiers if they, hated agents of a corrupt system of government, could be baptized.
    The answer to the tax collectors was YES, so long as they only collected taxes fairly as authorized by law.
    The answer to the soldiers was YES, so long as they did not steal or extort people to get extra money beyond their gov't salary.
    (Luke 3:12).
     
  4. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

    12,638
    1,714
    113
    Next question? :righton:
     
  5. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

    12,638
    1,714
    113
    Why is this hypocrisy? I am made in God's image and therefore required to protect and honor my life and others lives. Including those unborn who are unable to protect themselves. I am not required to roll over and die when someone else decides to stake a claim to my life through war or any other means.
     
  6. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Did any of you actually listen to the audio?

    Any biblical arguments against the biblical arguments given in the audio?
     
  7. phaed

    phaed Active Member

    9,360
    2
    38
    there's no such animal as a christian anarchist. your god governs you.
     
  8. JiG

    JiG Awaiting censure

    7,204
    7
    38
    I disagree. While the Christians may choose to believe in a supreme governor, a Christian might believe that man's government interferes with true worship and desire minimalist or no government to restrict religious beliefs.

    However; usually those who disagree with man's government and prefer to have the utmost freedom to follow their religion want to institute theocracies, not unfettered freedom.
     
  9. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    I disagree completely.

    Goverment are only of this earth, comprised of people who want to claim rule over me God is something different. Goverment didn't create me.

    I didn't make this thread to atheist christian bash. It has a different topic and purpose.

    This thread is for people who claim to be christian last time we talked you said you were atheist.
     
  10. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    I think Jesus was above politics. With that said, God said in Samuel, that if they created government, it would be bad and very corrupt. Same thing still today. Nothing in the bible says we have to have government. It certainly doesn't support it.

    Goverment's being created by men are because of our sinful nature to try to control and steal from other people, with force. With threatening their safety and life.
     
  11. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Your talking about self defense, not pro interventionalist.