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I saw a "no handguns permitted on these premises" sign in Cherokee, NC over the weekend. It was at an Arby's. I'm putting together a letter to send. Should I send it to the manager or the owner, or both maybe?

I plan to make points about personal safey & responsibility, permit requirements, constitutional rights, losing my patronage and criminals ignoring signs. What else should I be sure to include?
 

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no drugs analogy

I would tell Arby's that you think they might have meant "No Illegal Guns in Restaurant" instead of simply "No Guns in Restaurant." It's just like all those "no drugs" signs you see at various parks, schools, office parks, public housing projects, etc. You know darn well that those signs weren't meant for people who legally possess medication with a doctor's presciption, filled by a licensed pharmacy. The signs are meant to take a stand against ILLEGAL drugs, or the illegal trade in prescription drugs between people who have no such prescriptions.

Would Arby's put up a "no drugs on premises" sign with the expectation that it would apply to all their senior citizen customers who reguarly carry an assortment of pills for various ailments with them? Of course not.

So ask them to change the sign to what they really meant-- no illegal guns allowed, meaning any violation of any state law or local gun ordinance can result in that person being ordered off Arby's property.

You might also ask them what the hell good such signs are expected to do. What is the "benefit" that Arby's hopes to see from such a warning?
Will armed robbers leave their guns at home, and just rob using their extended index fingers with a cocked thumb? Will muggers stop preying upon victims walking to their cars in the parking lot? Will carjackers refrain from stealing a nice phat ride with 22" mirrored chrome rims when said vehicle is spotted in the drive thu lane late at night?

Or does Arby's just want to be able to say, "Hey, it's not our fault you got robbed here. We made a RULE against that sort of thing, and even put up signs!"
 

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This is a good place to point out why it's important to check the laws of the states you trav el to. In Georgia, as we all know, that sign means nothing until they ask you to leave. In North Carolina it carries the full wieght of North Carolina law and make the place a "no carry zone".
 

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Here's what I sent, via the Arby's web site:

To whom it may concern:
I was looking forward to enjoying lunch at the Arby's near Cherokee, NC on 9/23/06. As I approached the door to the restaurant, I was stopped dead in my tracks. What I saw both surprised and offended me. Posted next to the door was a sign declaring that handguns were prohibited on the premises.

Since I have chosen to take personal responsibility for my safety and the safety of my family by arming and training myself, I turned right back around, got in my car and left.

As a Georgia Firearms License holder, I have been through a thorough background check by local law enforcement agencies and the FBI to ensure that I am a law abiding citizen. I have no felony convictions, no drug convictions, no domestic violence-related misdemeanor convictions, no history of mental illness and have been judged to be of "good moral character" by my local Judge of the Probate. How much do you know about your other customers?

Since I do not wish to violate North Carolina law or put my personal safety in jeopardy by removing my weapon, I did not enter your restaurant. Do you think someone intent on committing criminal acts inside the restaurant would be similarly dissuaded? Neither do I. The only function your sign serves is to notify criminals that everyone inside the store is not armed and will offer no resistance to their attack.

I will not patronize businesses that have no regard for my rights as an American or my safety as a human being.

Thank you for your time,
mzmtg
 

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So will this keep you out of all Arbys establishments or just the ones that post no carry? Also, I would love to see what reply you get, if any....
 

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So will this keep you out of all Arbys establishments or just the ones that post no carry? Also, I would love to see what reply you get, if any....
I really don't like Arby's and it wasn't my idea to eat there in the first place. So this bit of principle-flexing will be easy for me.
 

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mzmtg said:
I really don't like Arby's and it wasn't my idea to eat there in the first place.
Well, that explains why the letter did not start out with "I have been a loyal Arby's customer for the last 158 years . . ."

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Some years ago BlockBusters has a no firearms sign. I wrote the corporate HQ and requested they rescind this policy and pointed out that not only would I not shop there, they were leaving themselves open to civil liability should I be injured by a BG with a firearm while in their store. I received a letter stating that they no long had this policy and to report to them any stores that still had a no firearms sign. I believe the civil liability issue got them thinking. It's just like the "Beware Of Dog" signs that some states asserted affirms the owner knows he has a vicious dog, rendering him liable should the dog attack someone. The no firearms sign renders the business liable if you are injured on their property by a firearm when you could have had the chance to defend yourself. In other words: If you are going to restrict me from protecting myself, you had better make sure YOU protect me.
 

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Well, I got an Email reply. Here it is, in it's entirety:

Dear Mr. mzmtg,
I would like to thank you for sharing your comments.

Sincerely,
Virginia Wolff
Area Coach "Arby's TWT,Inc."
828-777-7011
 

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Looks like the last email I received from my county commissioner on the ban on carrying firearms in parks.
 
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