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I love the HK USPs but what happened this weekend at the Firearmz class made me wanna look at the Sigs.

First of all, Ken had one he likes and was talking very highly of them all weekend.

Second, I liked the ability to go bang without having to re-cock the gun.

Third, I was able land a shot into the small box on the target using Sine's SIG from 30 yards (am I right, guy?). With my gun I was off, and the only other person to land a shot into the box was also Sine with the same SIG.

I think I am going to wait till the 250s are out and compared them with the 229.
 

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tace said:
I love the HK USPs but what happened this weekend at the Firearmz class made me wanna look at the Sigs.

First of all, Ken had one he likes and was talking very highly of them all weekend.

Second, I liked the ability to go bang without having to re-cock the gun.

Third, I was able land a shot into the small box on the target using Sine's SIG from 30 yards (am I right, guy?). With my gun I was off, and the only other person to land a shot into the box was also Sine with the same SIG.

I think I am going to wait till the 250s are out and compared them with the 229.
Bah. Sigs can't even handle being thrown in the dirt. The only brands this weekend that never failed were Hk and Springfield Armory (and maybe Steyr, but I'm not sure about that one).
 

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budder said:
tace said:
I love the HK USPs but what happened this weekend at the Firearmz class made me wanna look at the Sigs.

First of all, Ken had one he likes and was talking very highly of them all weekend.

Second, I liked the ability to go bang without having to re-cock the gun.

Third, I was able land a shot into the small box on the target using Sine's SIG from 30 yards (am I right, guy?). With my gun I was off, and the only other person to land a shot into the box was also Sine with the same SIG.

I think I am going to wait till the 250s are out and compared them with the 229.
Bah. Sigs can't even handle being thrown in the dirt. The only brands this weekend that never failed were Hk and Springfield Armory (and maybe Steyr, but I'm not sure about that one).
Glocks failed?
 

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Bah. Sigs can't even handle being thrown in the dirt. The only brands this weekend that never failed were Hk and Springfield Armory (and maybe Steyr, but I'm not sure about that one).
You are right. The only ones that didn't fail were the HK and my XD SC 9mm. In fact, I was surprised in that the XD had so much dirt in and on it, but still went bang everytime.

Oh, and the Glock guys were crying something about user induced malfunctions. Yeah, considering the guys involved, let's stop making excuses for machinery designed over 20 years ago.

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budder said:
tace said:
I love the HK USPs but what happened this weekend at the Firearmz class made me wanna look at the Sigs.

First of all, Ken had one he likes and was talking very highly of them all weekend.

Second, I liked the ability to go bang without having to re-cock the gun.

Third, I was able land a shot into the small box on the target using Sine's SIG from 30 yards (am I right, guy?). With my gun I was off, and the only other person to land a shot into the box was also Sine with the same SIG.

I think I am going to wait till the 250s are out and compared them with the 229.
Bah. Sigs can't even handle being thrown in the dirt. The only brands this weekend that never failed were Hk and Springfield Armory (and maybe Steyr, but I'm not sure about that one).
Now to be fair regarding reliability, it's true that the HK never failed to go Bang, but as I recall Budder kept having to switch away from it to a backup gun due to the HK getting too hot for comfort. I used my SIG 229 exclusively after holster problems caused me to put down my PM9 about an hour into the first day. I also consistently and intentionally tossed my mags and gun into the dirt. I also put a bunch of rounds though it. I think I pressed off about 20 to 30 shots every time he said "Fight" (because I honestly didn't want to haul all that brass back up the hill) It wasn't until over halfway though the second day, that the SIG started failing to feed and eject. I dunked it and the mags into the cooler, but the water attracted dirt like flies on poop and the reliability never improved until I did a semi-proper clean for the long range shooting.

As to the acuracy of the SIG. Holy crap. It's good. I am not a good shooter, but I was able to land about 1 in 5 headshots from (I think it was) 70 yards out. I let Tace shoot it and he had the same result, better than with his own gun. I think it's a combination of the SIG being relatively long, heavy (mine is all stainless), having a good (Single Action) trigger, and the fact that the .40S&W shoots relatively flat.
 

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Though he wasn't too outspoken, I don't think the guy wheel-gun ever had a failure to boom.
Indeed.

Having a hot gun isn't a FTF, though :) I'll never have to shoot more than 50 rounds out of my gun at one time, though. Even if I magically managed to have that many loaded mags on me (I have 6 8-rounders), I doubt I'd be worried about burning my hand a little.
 

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I love the Sig I have. My only complaint is that my thumb rides the top like if it were a 1911 and thus is unable to bring the pistol to slide lock when the mag is empty. Great gun though.

Oh....My Hk is supposed to be at my FFL tomorrow. :D :D :D
 

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As to the acuracy of the SIG. Holy crap. It's good.
I took my father-in-law to the range with me last Thursday. We had my Sig P229 (.40) and HK USP-C (9 mm). With the HK we were both effective but not as comfortable as I would like to be. When we switched to the P229 we both instantly zero'd in. After a few shots he started feeling cocky and put a couple of rounds down range towards the 50 yd pie plates. He hit 2 of 3. This from a man who hasn't fired a pistol in years. I take that back, I think I took him to the Firing Lane back during the winter. Needless to say I traded the HK for another Sig yesterday afternoon. This time I got a P226 (9 mm).
 

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What do you mean??????

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I love the Sig I have. My only complaint is that my thumb rides the top like if it were a 1911 and thus is unable to bring the pistol to slide lock when the mag is empty. Great gun though.

Oh....My Hk is supposed to be at my FFL tomorrow. :D :D :D
Ramm,
I don't understand your statement about the empty mag slide lock. All 15 of my 1911's ALWAYS lock the slide back when the mag is empty, and as far as your thumb riding high I geuss it's what you are comfortable with. I have never really noticed the high thumb condition on my 1911's.
I do have 2 sig 1911's, the GSR Nitro Revolution and the GSR XO, both are great shooters and 100% dependable.
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budder said:
tace said:
Now to be fair regarding reliability, it's true that the HK never failed to go Bang, but as I recall Budder kept having to switch away from it to a backup gun due to the HK getting too hot for comfort.
This sounds like it was a great class and I look forward to taking it when it is cooler out. Yes, I'm a pu$$y.

I am curious about your HK Budder. Which model is it? I wonder why it gets any hotter than any other similar gun.
 

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As to the acuracy of the SIG. Holy crap. It's good. I am not a good shooter, but I was able to land about 1 in 5 headshots from (I think it was) 70 yards out. I let Tace shoot it and he had the same result, better than with his own gun. I think it's a combination of the SIG being relatively long, heavy (mine is all stainless), having a good (Single Action) trigger, and the fact that the .40S&W shoots relatively flat.
Part of the class involves training for headshots at 70 yards with a pistol?
 

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Sine Nomen said:
Now to be fair regarding reliability, it's true that the HK never failed to go Bang, but as I recall Budder kept having to switch away from it to a backup gun due to the HK getting too hot for comfort.
This sounds like it was a great class and I look forward to taking it when it is cooler out. Yes, I'm a pu$$y.

I am curious about your HK Budder. Which model is it? I wonder why it gets any hotter than any other similar gun.
It's a P7 (PSP-style, not the P7M8 or P7M13). It's a very compact, all steel gun with no heat shield, so while it's more concealable, it's not very good at dissipating the vast amounts of heat induced by the delayed gas blowback system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_P7

MP, we were at about 25 or 30 yards and were shooting at a 3" and then a 5" circle in a competition to win a free class.
 

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tace said:
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Bah. Sigs can't even handle being thrown in the dirt. The only brands this weekend that never failed were Hk and Springfield Armory (and maybe Steyr, but I'm not sure about that one).
You are right. The only ones that didn't fail were the HK and my XD SC 9mm. In fact, I was surprised in that the XD had so much dirt in and on it, but still went bang everytime.
That's what I like to hear both my guns did very well in your Training!
 
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