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I'm not sure where to post this so if it needs moved go for it....

Last night around 9:30pm I was pulled over by a Forsyth County officer. I wasn't speeding since I just went through a stop sign so I was trying to figure out what was going on. I put down both windows after I pulled into a apartment complex on McFarland road. The officer came up to the passenger window and asked for my license. I already had my license and insurance card in hand. I DID NOT present my Georgia firearms permit. He then stated that I was pulled over due to the fact the my license plate bulb was burnt out. The officer asked if I had any weapons in the car while glancing down at the floor board. I realized I had the 2007 gun buyers guide laying face down on the passenger side floor. I told him I did have a gun and it's in the center console. I then asked if he wanted to see my permit. He said he did and then ordered me to the back of the car. Once at the back of the car he had me assume the position and patted me down and asked if I had any other weapons on me. I stated just a pocket knife and he told me that it was fine. He went into the car and retrieved my S&W chiefs special. Once outside the car he told me to go back and wait in the car.

About 5 minutes later the officer returned to my passenger window with the gun in one hand and the clip and chambered bullet in the other. He sat them both down on the seat. He then told me that I should go ahead and go to where I was heading and don't load my gun until I get there. He also told me from here on out I need to present my permit right away with my license. I told him in Georgia I don't have to tell him if I have a permit. He came back with something like "it's for the safety of the officer". I agreed and he told me to get my bulb changed out and sent me on my way without a ticket or warning.

Over all it could of been worse I suppose. This is the third time I've been stopped with my gun on me. The last time the officer put me in hand cuffs and told me my permit did not mean concealed carry. Once another officer arrived on the scene i was let go. The only thing I would change on my part is maybe having the magazine in the back since it drew attention to me having a gun. I'm not sure if I will present my permit right away as requested. I saw the same officer 20 minutes later after returning from wally world with the bulbs for my plate with another car pulled over in the same spot. Must of been looking for trouble last night.....
 

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I just dont get the LEO's on this.

I know officer safety and all that but I am still torn on the answers and such.

I was pulled over a few weeks ago regarding my tinted windows! Of couse this was on 675 headed south (Clayton CO??). He pulled me over, I rolled all 4 windows down on my truck, had my hands over the open window so he could see them. At that point he went from his hand on his weapon to much more relaxed. Gave me a verbal warning, his partner was snooping looking through the back window, and said have a nice day. All was over then.

No I did not notify and no he did not ask the same about a weapon. If he did I would probably hand him the GFL at that point (Wallet was in hand), after hearing the opinions on here. At that point am I free to go is the next thing out of my mouth once he looks at the GFL.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
He then told me that I should go ahead and go to where I was heading and don't load my gun until I get there
Yeah . . . right. :roll:
As soon as I turned around in the complex and started to pull out it was reloaded. I can see his point about being safe and I've read about officers leaving the gun on the roof of the car and telling the driver not to get it until he leaves, BUT we have gone through the hoops and we have the permit so shouldn't we have some kind of trust with a gun?
 

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EARN said:
Malum Prohibitum said:
He then told me that I should go ahead and go to where I was heading and don't load my gun until I get there
Yeah . . . right. :roll:
As soon as I turned around in the complex and started to pull out it was reloaded. I can see his point about being safe and I've read about officers leaving the gun on the roof of the car and telling the driver not to get it until he leaves, BUT we have gone through the hoops and we have the permit so shouldn't we have some kind of trust with a gun?
Apparently not with that officer..... I have met a few that have MP's approach (when he was a cop). Others have responded like yur officer did. The dilema continues...
 

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EARN said:
This is the third time I've been stopped with my gun on me. The last time the officer put me in hand cuffs and told me my permit did not mean concealed carry. Once another officer arrived on the scene i was let go.
Sounds like you have some more stories to post . . .

Where was this earlier one and what did you do about it, if anything?
 

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"It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean open," so I concealed, and the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean open," so I concealed, and the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me . . .

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Malum Prohibitum said:
"It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean open," so I concealed, and the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean open," so I concealed, and the next officer handcuffed me and said, "It doesn't mean concealed," so I carried openly, and then the next officer handcuffed me . . .

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#-o

Damned if you do damned if you dont.....
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
EARN said:
This is the third time I've been stopped with my gun on me. The last time the officer put me in hand cuffs and told me my permit did not mean concealed carry. Once another officer arrived on the scene i was let go.
Sounds like you have some more stories to post . . .

Where was this earlier one and what did you do about it, if anything?
This was a few years back in Alpharetta near my parents house. It was a Fulton County officer. I'm not one to post "war story's" I figured it was a common thing at the time when it happened. I hadn't really learned the laws and didn't go to sites like this and gerogiacarry.org I actually did nothing about it when it happened. The officers excuse was that they changed the way the permit looked recently or something like that. This was in 2003 or 2004 right after I got my permit and I was pretty sure they had looked the same for a long time. I brushed it off and figured it was due to the fact that I was young and it was the police being the police. If it had happened last night I would be contacting Georgia Carry to see if there is legal action that should happen.
 

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mzmtg said:
Did you enjoy having your 4th amendment rights completely sh*t on?
I couldn't have put it any better myself. I plan on getting any names, etc of any LEO's who even walk the line. I actually should get all LEO information from any that I encounter so I can report the good ones for doing their job as well. Seems like they never get any thanks.
 

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EARN said:
I told him I did have a gun and it's in the center console. I then asked if he wanted to see my permit. He said he did and then ordered me to the back of the car. Once at the back of the car he had me assume the position and patted me down and asked if I had any other weapons on me. I stated just a pocket knife and he told me that it was fine. He went into the car and retrieved my S&W chiefs special. Once outside the car he told me to go back and wait in the car.
Can anyone here show me where the PC was for the frisk?

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wsweeks2 said:
mzmtg said:
Did you enjoy having your 4th amendment rights completely sh*t on?
I couldn't have put it any better myself. I plan on getting any names, etc of any LEO's who even walk the line. I actually should get all LEO information from any that I encounter so I can report the good ones for doing their job as well. Seems like they never get any thanks.
Not a bad idea...
 

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EARN said:
I told him I did have a gun and it's in the center console. I then asked if he wanted to see my permit. He said he did and then ordered me to the back of the car. Once at the back of the car he had me assume the position and patted me down and asked if I had any other weapons on me. I stated just a pocket knife and he told me that it was fine. He went into the car and retrieved my S&W chiefs special. Once outside the car he told me to go back and wait in the car.
Can anyone here show me where the PC was for the frisk?

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I sure can't...
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
It is absolutely uncommon . . . and the license has been the same since at least the 80s (before Ramm was born).
1976
 

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Easy for me to remember ber - that's the year I was born.

Glad to know they have been subcontracting laminating and cutting work to 3rd graders for over 30 years!!!

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EARN said:
I told him I did have a gun and it's in the center console. I then asked if he wanted to see my permit. He said he did and then ordered me to the back of the car. Once at the back of the car he had me assume the position and patted me down and asked if I had any other weapons on me. I stated just a pocket knife and he told me that it was fine. He went into the car and retrieved my S&W chiefs special. Once outside the car he told me to go back and wait in the car.
Can anyone here show me where the PC was for the frisk?

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The gun exception.

It's a widely held legal principle that most, if not all, constitutional safeguards and protections enjoyed by "citizens" are rendered null and void when dealing with firearms. We (the nanny state) cannot be too careful.

"The issue presented here is whether it is permissible under our federal and state Constitutions for an officer involved in a traffic stop to temporarily take physical possession of a firearm in a vehicle even though the driver has not given the officer reason to think he is dangerous. We conclude that our Constitutions permit such a practice."
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
It is absolutely uncommon . . . and the license has been the same since at least the 80s (before Ramm was born).
I have seen an expired GFL of a family member that was issued in 1978.

Other than minor nit-pickey stuff it looks the same as a brand new one.
 
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