I am all for land preservation but 100% against Government intervention.
So...you're okay with privately owned land, much of which has been in families for generations, suddenly being "off limits" for those private individuals to do with as they see fit? Once you accept that idea, the whole concept of private property goes out the window. If they can do it for one purpose they can do it for any purpose. :screwy:TippinTaco said:I have no problem with this. As long as it doesn't remove anyone from their homes or destroy homes, then by all means deem it a WMA and call it a day. We have enough homes in this country and enough businesses that currently force wildlife out of its natural habitat. We destroy land to put in a sky scraper and parking decks daily. Lets use what land we already destroyed first then decide on creating more down the road. I'm not a green activist or anything, but I do see areas that were once BEAUTIFUL get turned into office buildings that never get businesses to move in. The housing boom is over, lets leave it that way.
Ya caught me MPMalum Prohibitum said:Did any of you read the article? This is about the Department of the Interior designating land it already manages as wilderness areas (actually "Wild Lands"), rather than Congress alone making such designations. This has nothing to do with private property.
It has a lot to do with whether BLM land will be leased for grazing rights, gas and oil drilling, mining, and other uses, or made into bison habitat.
I understand where you're coming from I really do. BUT and yes there is one, I for one am just like you when it comes to dirt bikes and off-roading, some here can contest to that since I took them on a 4-wheel drive trip through Anderson Creek few months back. But not all but some people ruin great things, and they dont even care. They destroy property that once was beautiful. Donuts, yanking trees down, cutting paths through the mtns with their winches and demo saws. Fact is bro some things just need to be left alone, and if the Gov can protect that, then so be it. My local law enforcement don't necessarily care thats for sure, so someone needs to. DNR is stretched so thin that theres MAYBE 1 person that patrols 5k square miles of forest, I personally know Merideth, she patrols Nimble Will side and sadly they have to lock off trails to TRY to persuade people to not use them due to erosion. 9 out of 10 times some kids and EVEN adults winch up, and yank trees and rocks out around the fence and drive on by.YZ#58 said:I guess the point I was wanting to make is that the government has taken away plenty of land and has designated it as "wilderness" or has made it "roadless". My other hobby is dirtbikes, and being able to ride on federal land in states such as Utah, and Colorado is important to me. As I said, this has affected the western states the most. But we are talking millions... of acres of land, no longer accessible to end users... us. SO much land is now off limits to recreational users, it is no longer FUNNY.
And it sure seems like a coincidence that the people that want to do this, also believe that individuals owning firearms, handuns, ASSUALT rifles, etc., is a bad ideal.
A lot of this land is typically desert or wasteland. Gotta watch out for the egg miltch plant or whatever it is called. This also makes it where no oil drilling can be done either. Gotta go 50 miles offshore, gee I wonder if that causes any problems. Not sure what everyone else thinks, but oil is over $90/barrel, it is time to start "drill here, drill now". Oh, wait, can't drill here, it's a wilderness...
What's the problem? I see miles of forest in that picture. :righton:TippinTaco said:without some sort of control:
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I was going for dramatic effectMrMorden said:What's the problem? I see miles of forest in that picture. :righton:TippinTaco said:without some sort of control:
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TippinTaco, I know exactly what you are talking about, ATV's, dirtbikers, 4wheelers, all have too many morons that ruin it for everyone else. I used to ride in Paulding County on the City of Atlanta's 10,000 acres. Till too many people dumping trash, and making big mud holes everywhere, had it made into a WMA. Off limits now.TippinTaco said:I understand where you're coming from I really do. BUT and yes there is one, I for one am just like you when it comes to dirt bikes and off-roading, some here can contest to that since I took them on a 4-wheel drive trip through Anderson Creek few months back. But not all but some people ruin great things, and they dont even care. They destroy property that once was beautiful. Donuts, yanking trees down, cutting paths through the mtns with their winches and demo saws. Fact is bro some things just need to be left alone, and if the Gov can protect that, then so be it. My local law enforcement don't necessarily care thats for sure, so someone needs to. DNR is stretched so thin that theres MAYBE 1 person that patrols 5k square miles of forest, I personally know Merideth, she patrols Nimble Will side and sadly they have to lock off trails to TRY to persuade people to not use them due to erosion. 9 out of 10 times some kids and EVEN adults winch up, and yank trees and rocks out around the fence and drive on by.YZ#58 said:I guess the point I was wanting to make is that the government has taken away plenty of land and has designated it as "wilderness" or has made it "roadless". My other hobby is dirtbikes, and being able to ride on federal land in states such as Utah, and Colorado is important to me. As I said, this has affected the western states the most. But we are talking millions... of acres of land, no longer accessible to end users... us. SO much land is now off limits to recreational users, it is no longer FUNNY.
And it sure seems like a coincidence that the people that want to do this, also believe that individuals owning firearms, handuns, ASSUALT rifles, etc., is a bad ideal.
A lot of this land is typically desert or wasteland. Gotta watch out for the egg miltch plant or whatever it is called. This also makes it where no oil drilling can be done either. Gotta go 50 miles offshore, gee I wonder if that causes any problems. Not sure what everyone else thinks, but oil is over $90/barrel, it is time to start "drill here, drill now". Oh, wait, can't drill here, it's a wilderness...
We're destroying what makes this country beautiful and unfortunately its at a cost. Look at the Great Smokie Mtns for example. The most visited national park in the United States. They're on the brink of shutting it down due to pollution issues and acid rain. If you wanna visit it during that time, you have to hike in to enjoy it and honestly thats how it should be. I for one hate Gov control, but there is some things they have to help with and this should be one of them.
without some sort of control:
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