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This sort of relates to the Oregon post, below, where the opinion was asserted that the laws were not restrictive because they were "old" and that such laws could not be passed today.

Kansas, where the Governor successfully vetoed concealed carry last year, just overrode the Governor's veto this year.

She (the Governor) stated when she vetoed the bill that she "supports the Second Amendment" :roll: and cited as proof the fact that she signed a bill the previous year to allow retired police officers to carry concealed!

Anyway, the veto override vote was overwhelmingly successful. How did they do it? Well, they compromised with the anti-gun people and the compromisors by adding "off limits" places to the bill. And, in the end, Kansas still has less places off limits than Georgia!

Why does Georgia have the most Off Limits places of any state in the nation?

Article about Kansas law: http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ ... 18492.html
 

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Well this gives me a little hope. But based on the BS being flung around in that commitee meeting on SB 396 the other day, I am still skeptical as to much we can get done here. We need to figure out a way to get a pro gun witness to show up; I notice the libs seem to always be able to find someone. And no ... you don't want me to do it :wink:

Sebelius shrugged off the override, saying: "Now I'm hopeful the Legislature turns its attention to its most important work, which is making sure all Kansas children attend quality schools."
ensuring people can be secure in their person vs. indoctrinating children so they they can't think critically .... hmmmm ... yeah ... tough call :roll:

I also noticed the author of that article mentioned that only AK and VT allow CCW without a permit. What about states the allow open carry? Doesn't AZ allow that.
 

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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/jan/0 ... city_local

"Kansas enters the new year with nearly 3,000 people cleared for carrying concealed handguns."

"And more applications are coming into the Kansas Attorney General’s Office."

"'Actually, it's picked up a little bit in the last two weeks of December,' said Chuck Sexson, the office's director of concealed services. He said last week that he expected about 5,000 applications would have been received by the start of 2007."

"The state had mailed 2,981 license approval notices to concealed carry applicants as of Wednesday, Sexson said. The next step is for applicants to take their notices to a Kansas driver's license office and have their concealed carry licenses made." ...
 

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With Ohio and, I think, Wisconsin, having recently over-ridden gubernatorial vetoes, this trend has to be seen as catching.
 

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Wisconsin failed. Wisconsin and Illinois are they only two states in the nation with no provision for concealed carry at all, although Wisconsin has open carry.
 

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You're right about Wisconsin. I think they failed by one vote to override. What was the other state that recently succeeded in their override?
 

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oh wait, it was Kansas.

Ohio's override was not about allowing concealed carry, it changes how you had to carry in a car and state preemption of local gun laws.
 

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Kansas posted the reciprocal states and then they chaged AG's and the new one removed them until he has time to confirm the states.

Here is the email I got back in this regard:
New Attorney General Paul Morrison took office at noon today. His new web site does not have the listing of recognized states posted last week by Attorney General Kline.. Attorney General Morrison will review the list and then put up another posting on his web site at http://www.ksag.org.
That should occur very soon.

Chuck Sexson
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So, they change with the elections, willy-nilly . . .

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GS1, he reviewed the list alright . . . :roll:

The new AG simply declared all nonresident licenses invalid, in plain contravention of the language of the statute. I do not know the status of recognition of resident licenses (Georgia's in particular).
 

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They don't have specific statutory authority to restrict reciprocity to resident permits only.

However, according to an attorney in the AG's office named C.J., they extrapolated that authority from their mandate to establish reciprocity with states that have similar requirements. Since Kansans need a permit from Kansas, everyone else must have a resident permit.

What the law states is:

A valid license, issued by any other state or the District of Columbia, to carry concealed weapons shall be recognized as valid in this state, but only while the holder is not a resident of Kansas, if the attorney general determines that standards for issuance of such license or permit by such state or district are equal to or greater than the standards imposed by this act. The attorney general shall maintain and publish a list of such states and district which the attorney general determines have standards equal to or greater than the standards imposed by this act. The provisions of this subsection shall take effect and be in force from and after January 1, 2007
So, the statute explicitly says that a license "issued by" a recognized state is valid in Kansas (except for a Kansas resident).
 

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More on the Manhattan restrictions. Does this sound familiar?

"Our philosophy was to identify certain areas as property that we own where there might be meetings or larger gatherings of people and those are the areas we want to make sure that someone's not bringing a concealed weapon," Manhattan Deputy City Manager Diane Stoddard said.

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/5348516.html

Because we all know how those firearms license holders engage in mass murder all the time. Anytime there is a "gathering," really, well, if it wasn't for the good intentions of laws like this there would be lots of mass murders by firearms license holders. Good thing these politicians have saved us.
 
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