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· I watch the watchers
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The magic mighty man in the sky will make it all better, just watch.
 

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Well Jesus wasn't a socialist POS
Ad Hominem attack duly noted. I think it says a lot about someone how they react that way.
 

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Ad Hominem attack duly noted. I think it says a lot about someone how they react that way.
I didn't take EJR's "socialist POS" comment as directed at you, or me, or any of the other 99% of the GeorgiaPacking.Org members who aren't anarchists.
 

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Well, I guess idiots often spout off bullcrap from their pieholes on a semi-regular basis.

Oh, and I'm not talking about EJR, just someone who isn't 99% of GeorgiaPacking and an anarchist. We good, fam? :)
 

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1Cor. 15:24-25 doesn't say civil authorities are the enemy.
It says Christ will take over, and become the sole authority, THEN he will defeat His enemies.

Civil authorities could be allies, but weaker and less-effective allies, in the fight against evil.
That's when God says "step aside; I'm going to take care of this myself."
 

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The verses also say that Jesus shall destroy all authority, not that EJR, Phaed, and the rest of the anarchists will do it.
Until the Lord replaces your government, you are to follow your marching orders, which are to obey the law and your civil rulers.

Romans 13:

"All of you must obey the government rulers.
Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God.
And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. "



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See also Paul's letter to TITUS, at Chapt 3, first verse. it also says that Titus as a leader in his church should teach his people to be submissive to rulers and authorities and to be obedient. Now the words "rulers" and "authorities" I believe are different words (in Greek) than what Paul has used in his epistles to describe what were (or would later become) the offices of bishop, elder, and deacon in the church.

So Titus 3, like Romans 13, refers to the political leaders of the community at large .
 

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1Cor. 15:24-25 doesn't say civil authorities are the enemy.
It says Christ will take over, and become the sole authority, THEN he will defeat His enemies.

Civil authorities could be allies, but weaker and less-effective allies, in the fight against evil.
That's when God says "step aside; I'm going to take care of this myself."
Civil Authorities can certainly be enemies of our faith, it just says that we're not fighting in this alone, that God is fighting with us against authorities that are enemies of our faith.
 

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The verses also say that Jesus shall destroy all authority, not that EJR, Phaed, and the rest of the anarchists will do it.
Until the Lord replaces your government, you are to follow your marching orders, which are to obey the law and your civil rulers.

Romans 13:

"All of you must obey the government rulers.
Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God.
And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. "
Romans 13 is talking about our authorities in the church, not necessarily government authorities.
 

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I you have time the below is a pretty good read. As always it is subject to one's reading of the text. I come away with submission to a point.

http://www.desiringgod.org/messages/the-limits-of-submission-to-man
And that you are not fighting the enemies of your faith, which can be authorities, alone, but God is helping you fight them as well.

The good thing is that all these people who worship their governments and believe that they can fix all their problems will still be brought to the heel of Jesus, and they will be either forced to worship Jesus and Jesus alone, or they will face God's judgement.
 

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