I wondered the same thing. Did the first guy get shot while he was down on the floor as the BG pointed the gun at him and then ran for the door?JiG said:The first video looks like the defender took a couple gunshots.
Reminds me of this:guitarded_1 said:Bottom line - do not make a stand against a gun unless you are sure you can get control of it and maintain that control.
Russell Ziskey said:I've always been kind of a pacifist. When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." I don't know what kind of soldier I'm gonna make, but I want you guys to know that if we ever get into really heavy combat... I'll be right behind you guys. Every step of the way.
AV8R said:I applaud both men. The first guy could have been terminally ill and had already looked forward to meeting his maker. He may have decided that his "soon to end life" was worth risking in order to save the woman's life. The whole "you never know" game is a two way street.
Reminds me of this:guitarded_1 said:Bottom line - do not make a stand against a gun unless you are sure you can get control of it and maintain that control.
[quote="Russell Ziskey":325ojngh]I've always been kind of a pacifist. When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." I don't know what kind of soldier I'm gonna make, but I want you guys to know that if we ever get into really heavy combat... I'll be right behind you guys. Every step of the way.
guitarded_1 said:Reminds me of this:AV8R said:I applaud both men. The first guy could have been terminally ill and had already looked forward to meeting his maker. He may have decided that his "soon to end life" was worth risking in order to save the woman's life. The whole "you never know" game is a two way street.
[quote="guitarded_1":girubkje]Bottom line - do not make a stand against a gun unless you are sure you can get control of it and maintain that control.
[quote="Russell Ziskey":girubkje]I've always been kind of a pacifist. When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." I don't know what kind of soldier I'm gonna make, but I want you guys to know that if we ever get into really heavy combat... I'll be right behind you guys. Every step of the way.
HA! I think the point is still missed a bit, but that's okay. I'm all about resisting, I'm just saying that if you're going to resist, make sure the gun is redirected and controlled. Having a fighting spirit is what it's all about, but the premise remains - a gun pointed at you can kill you, a gun pointed away from you cannot. Make sure the gun is pointed away. Simple I know, but people tend to forget that when making a stand.AV8R said:Don't take it personally. I truly was reminded of that quote.
There are also a lot of people who do not resist at all and get killed. Maybe even more than those who resisted and died. Some of us would rather die on our feet than on our knees, I guess.
And thanks for not making me do this:
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And also keep in mind most people aren't trained.guitarded_1 said:HA! I think the point is still missed a bit, but that's okay. I'm all about resisting, I'm just saying that if you're going to resist, make sure the gun is redirected and controlled. Having a fighting spirit is what it's all about, but the premise remains - a gun pointed at you can kill you, a gun pointed away from you cannot. Make sure the gun is pointed away. Simple I know, but people tend to forget that when making a stand.
Oh I know, believe me. You can actually make a hell of a gun defense with no formal training, but adrenaline does tend to cloud the mind, that's for sure.AV8R said:And also keep in mind most people aren't trained.guitarded_1 said:HA! I think the point is still missed a bit, but that's okay. I'm all about resisting, I'm just saying that if you're going to resist, make sure the gun is redirected and controlled. Having a fighting spirit is what it's all about, but the premise remains - a gun pointed at you can kill you, a gun pointed away from you cannot. Make sure the gun is pointed away. Simple I know, but people tend to forget that when making a stand.
I believe I read somewhere that statistically, fighting back is safer than giving in.AV8R said:There are also a lot of people who do not resist at all and get killed.
According to Lott, if you aggregate all the stats, it's safer to give in. This is the source of the repeated claims to give in to the perp's demands.CoffeeMate said:I believe I read somewhere that statistically, fighting back is safer than giving in.AV8R said:There are also a lot of people who do not resist at all and get killed.
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John Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, 3/e, p. 4John Lott said:[T]he probability of women being seriously injured was almost 4 times greater when resisting without a gun than when resisting with a gun. In other words, the best advice is to resist with a gun, but if no gun is available, it is better to offer no resistance than to fight.
:-kCoffeeMate said:I believe I read somewhere that statistically, fighting back is safer than giving in.AV8R said:There are also a lot of people who do not resist at all and get killed.
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I just can't quite place where it was.JiG said::-kCoffeeMate said:I believe I read somewhere that statistically, fighting back is safer than giving in.AV8R said:There are also a lot of people who do not resist at all and get killed.
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