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and advance his ownâ€"he’d look a lot like Donald Trump.

On Wednesday, Donald Trump told the New York Times that he would not necessarily come to the aid of NATO states threatened by Russia and would make his decision to defend them from an attack after reviewing whether they “have fulfilled their obligations to us.†It was the latest statement from Trump that was likely greeted with delight in the Kremlin. Earlier this month, Franklin Foer wrote on the frightening ways in which Trump seems to be playing right into Vladimir Putin's plans for destabilizing the West.

Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the Westâ€"and that plan looks a lot like Donald Trump. Over the past decade, Russia has boosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France,well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive. Such largesse also wended its way to the former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, who profited“personally and handsomely†from Russian energy deals, as an American ambassador to Rome once put it. (Berlusconi also shared a240-year-old bottle of Crimean wine with Putin and apparently makes ample use ofa bed gifted to him by the Russian president.)

There’s a clear pattern: Putin runs stealth efforts on behalf of politicians who rail against the European Union and want to push away from NATO. He’s been a patron of Golden Dawn in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, and Jobbik in Hungary. Joe Biden warned about this effort last year in a speech at the Brookings Institution: “President Putin sees such political forces as useful tools to be manipulated, to create cracks in the European body politic which he can then exploit.†Ruptures that will likely multiply after Brexitâ€"a campaign Russia’s many propaganda organs bombastically promoted.

The destruction of Europe is a grandiose objective; so is the weakening of the United States. Until recently, Putin has only focused glancing attention on American elections. Then along came the presumptive Republican nominee.

Donald Trump is like the Kremlin’s favored candidates, only more so. He celebrated the United Kingdom’s exit from the EU. He denounces NATO with feeling. He is also a great admirer of Vladimir Putin. Trump’s devotion to the Russian president has been portrayed as buffoonish enthusiasm for a fellow macho strongman. But Trump’s statements of praise amount to something closer to slavish devotion. In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding Russia.†A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.†When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.†Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.†In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.†And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.â€

Donald Trump is like the Kremlin’s favored candidates, only more so.

That’s a highly abridged sampling of Trump’s odes to Putin. Why wouldn’t the Russians offer him the same furtive assistance they’ve lavished on Le Pen, Berlusconi, and the rest? Indeed, according to Politico’s Michael Crowley, Russian propagandahas gone full throttle for Trump, using its Russia Today apparatus to thrash Hillary Clinton and hail the courage of Trump’s foreign policy. (Sample headline: “Trump Sparks NATO Debate: ‘Obsolete’ or ‘Tripwire That Could Lead to World War III.’ â€) Russian intelligence services hacked the Democratic National Committee’s servers, purloining its opposition research files on Trump and just about everything else it could find. They also wormed their way into the computers of the Clinton Foundation, a breach reported by Bloomberg. And though it may be a mere coincidence, Trump’s inner circle is populated with advisers and operatives who have long careers advancing the interests of the Kremlin.

We shouldn’t overstate Putin’s efforts, which will hardly determine the outcome of the election. Still, we should think of the Trump campaign as the moral equivalent of Henry Wallace’s communist-infiltrated campaign for president in 1948, albeit less sincere and idealistic than that. A foreign power that wishes ill upon the United States has attached itself to a major presidential campaign.

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It has never been or will ever be in America's interest to stick our nose all over the place where it never belongs.
 

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It has never been or will ever be in America's interest to stick our nose all over the place where it never belongs.
it's not in The People's (TM) interest. but, it is in the government's interest, as war is the health of the state.
 

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Id think theyd want hillary. We already know she can be bought off.
 

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Putin's Buddy Trump Is About To Get National Security Briefings. Intel Officers Are Worried.
"The notion that the Trump team could request intel briefings on Russia when they clearly have close ties is horrifying," said one former intelligence official.

Members of the intelligence community are worried that Donald Trump ― who has deep ties to Russia and is apparently the preferred presidential candidate of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin ― could have access to highly classified national security briefings as early as Friday.

Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will begin receiving the briefings after the Democratic National Convention ends on Thursday, ABC News reported Monday. As the Republican nominee for president, Trump is now among a handful of people who do not hold a security clearance but have the potential to get these briefings. But he also has closer ties to a foreign government than perhaps any presidential candidate in recent history.

Trump has called for following Moscow's lead on various global issues and questioned whether it's necessary for the U.S. to always defend other members of NATO, the alliance created during the Cold War to protect American partners from an expansionist Soviet Union. His rhetoric about foreign policy neatly matches the message coming out of Moscow: that America has little need for its long-time partners in Europe ― particularly in NATO ― or elsewhere, and that the U.S. should have less influence internationally. Trump has extensive business and financial ties to Russia. The Washington Post has described his relationship with Putin as a "bromance." Troll accounts tied to the Russian government have promoted Trump on Twitter, the New Yorker's Adrian Chen noted last year. And this week, mysterious hackers released internal Democratic National Committee emails ― a move that security experts and reporters are increasingly convinced was an attempt by the Russian government to swing the presidential election to Trump.

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Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the West...
No. He's just trying to ensure that the West doesn't continue on its foolhardy plans to incite a NATO war against Russia. Why should he like NATO missiles and troops on his doorstep anymore than we liked Khrushchev's missiles in Cuba?

Over the past decade, Russia has boosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France,well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive.
Le Pen is a direct threat to that asswipe Hollande whose lips are firmly implanted on Frau Merkel's ass. Le Pen wants to stem the "refugee" tide that Hollande welcomes with open arms.

There’s a clear pattern: Putin runs stealth efforts on behalf of politicians who rail against the European Union and want to push away from NATO.
Perhaps Putin is on to something? Brexit anyone? Merkel, Hollande and the current US administration would love to see a NATO war with Russia. We can guess whose "friends" would benefit the most from such a conflict and who would pay the most for it. Hillary Clinton would be just the leader to push the US into another useless war.
 

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Trump’s deep relationship with Russia has the intelligence community worried.

“Never have we had a candidate so tied to a foreign power, especially one that is so hostile to the U.S. in many ways, and one that is actively messing with our election,†said one former senior intelligence official. “Many [in the intelligence community] don’t care about U.S. politics and pride themselves on being nonpartisan, but the ties to Russia are deeply disturbing.â€
Seriously? If this isn't a case of the the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Clinton Foundation anyone?

Coming out of the Huffpo, I'll use this to wipe up my cat's throwup.
 

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1. All the other discussions of Trump's finances aside, his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. This is in just one year while his liquid assets have also decreased. Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.

2. Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin. Here's a good overview from The Washington Post, with one morsel for illustration ...

3. One example of this is the Trump Soho development in Manhattan, one of Trump's largest recent endeavors. The project was the hit with a series of lawsuits in response to some typically Trumpian efforts to defraud investors by making fraudulent claims about the financial health of the project. Emerging out of that litigation however was news about secret financing for the project from Russia and Kazakhstan. Most attention about the project has focused on the presence of a twice imprisoned Russian immigrant with extensive ties to the Russian criminal underworld. But that's not the most salient part of the story.

4. Then there's Paul Manafort, Trump's nominal 'campaign chair' who now functions as campaign manager and top advisor. Manafort spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close Putin ally. Manafort is running Trump's campaign.

5. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom. If you're not familiar with Gazprom, imagine if most or all of the US energy industry were rolled up into a single company and it were personally controlled by the US President who used it as a source of revenue and patronage. That is Gazprom's role in the Russian political and economic system. It is no exaggeration to say that you cannot be involved with Gazprom at the very high level which Page has been without being wholly in alignment with Putin's policies. Those ties also allow Putin to put Page out of business at any time.

6. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump.

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OP = crapload
Listen, I'm not pro Trump or anti Trump...I'm not pro Clinton or anti Clinton...although in full disclosure I was a registered republican for 34 years (Independent now)

To be honest I think this is the worst selection of candidates in over 200 years, they are both just awful in character and record.

With that said, this Trump/ Putin love fest is downright scary for our country. This man only cares about what will give him a financial advantage for HIMSELF.

It is clear that he is posing the greatest security risk of any candidate who has ever run for president. He is primed and ready for being blackmailed by foreign governments due to his financial interest in those countries, but this Russia thing should alarm EVERYONE!

Trump is fooling America by taping into the anger factor. He knows nothing about core conservative values or even Christian values (can't recite a SINGLE Bible verse).

There is NOTHING to admire about dictators like Putin, Kim Jong-Un, Saddam, Mussolini, and Hitler...Think of all of the bodies in Arlington National Cemetery who gave their lives to fight these ideologies, many were my personal friends (I'm a three tour Reserve Veteran)...Trump thinks they did (partially) great things...but that's off topic on the point i'm trying to make.

Trump would sell America down a river in a heartbeat if it means a benefit of the TRUMP brand.

I don't want to see Clinton in the White House, but I'm horrified for what could happen if Trump gets in.

 

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Trump won't sell America down a river like Clinton will, he may let Russia and Putin have at it, but it's not really our freaking business anyway. I'm tired of those in our government being used as the enforcement arm for multinational corporations
 

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Really? A woman who sends unsecured emails through an unsecured server while visiting foreign governments where off the shelf sniffers could read everything is not a security risk?
 

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Really? A woman who sends unsecured emails through an unsecured server while visiting foreign governments where off the shelf sniffers could read everything is not a security risk?
SAP and Top Secret unencrypted emails over an unsecure email server.

The most sensitive information our government has.

I'm sure hundreds of Americans and allies have probably already died due to this and there will probably be more in the future.
 

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Liberals know tbey have big problems with Hillary as a candidate, so they go after Trump & try to tie him to Russia. These emails that supposedly were hacked by Russia show just how corrupt Hillary and her minions in the DNC really are. They can't defend the emails so they change the subject to "it isn't the emails...it is who hacked them and why were they hacked".

I watched some of the DNC convention and every guest they interviewed accused Trump of treason because he jokingly said that maybe Russia could find Hillary's 33000 missing emails. Funny stuff unless you are a Democrat blindsided by the wikileaks email dump. The only person who commited acts of treason in this race is Hillary.

...oh, and to answer the op's question of who the perfect president would be for Russia, the answer is Barack Obama. He has backed down from Putin every time there has been conflict with Russia...every damn time!
 

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Listen, I'm not pro Trump or anti Trump...I'm not pro Clinton or anti Clinton...although in full disclosure I was a registered republican for 34 years (Independent now)

To be honest I think this is the worst selection of candidates in over 200 years, they are both just awful in character and record.

With that said, this Trump/ Putin love fest is downright scary for our country. This man only cares about what will give him a financial advantage for HIMSELF.

It is clear that he is posing the greatest security risk of any candidate who has ever run for president. He is primed and ready for being blackmailed by foreign governments due to his financial interest in those countries, but this Russia thing should alarm EVERYONE!

Trump is fooling America by taping into the anger factor. He knows nothing about core conservative values or even Christian values (can't recite a SINGLE Bible verse).

There is NOTHING to admire about dictators like Putin, Kim Jong-Un, Saddam, Mussolini, and Hitler...Think of all of the bodies in Arlington National Cemetery who gave their lives to fight these ideologies, many were my personal friends (I'm a three tour Reserve Veteran)...Trump thinks they did (partially) great things...but that's off topic on the point i'm trying to make.

Trump would sell America down a river in a heartbeat if it means a benefit of the TRUMP brand.

I don't want to see Clinton in the White House, but I'm horrified for what could happen if Trump gets in.

You do realize that everything you just said translates into, "I am voting for Hillary Clinton and I do not care that she should be in prison for murdering our boys in Benghazi, and I do not care that she jeopardized our national security by using a private server to send classified emails, and I am hoping the general public completely ignores the wikileaks DNC email dump that shows just how corrupt Hillary is ... Because I don't care about the US or the people of the US"?

Nobody is fooled by the "Independent" voter and the "I used to be a hardcore Republican" yadda yadda. We are all adults here, we can all think for ourselves.

Trump has been in the public spotlight for years. Why is it that the literal second an (R) appeared after his name, he suddenly became a racist bigoted homophobic sexist and ...now...a Russian spy?

When do you guys ever get tired of spewing this utter nonsense?
 

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With that said, this Trump/ Putin love fest is downright scary for our country. This man only cares about what will give him a financial advantage for HIMSELF.
Ignoring the Hillary/Russian love fest? Look up Uranium One. And don't ignore Hillary's love fest with the EU/NATO/domestic warmongers. And Wall Street. And well, just fill in the blanks.
 
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