I worry about our schools and our kids...

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by Macktee, Apr 27, 2007.

  1. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

    All I can say is WTF???

    We here all try to protect the Second Amendment, but let's not forget the First... This is crazy-stupid carried to the max!

    Talk about Political Correctness run amuck...!

    A kid gets arrested because his CREATIVE WRITING essay "disturbed" his teacher?

    That is so totally wrong I don't know how to even start to express my outrage!


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... &cset=true

    Student writes essay, arrested by police

    By Jeff Long and Carolyn Starks
    Tribune staff reporters

    April 26, 2007

    High school senior Allen Lee sat down with his creative writing class on Monday and penned an essay that so disturbed his teacher, school administrators and police that he was charged with disorderly conduct.

    "I understand what happened recently at Virginia Tech," said the teen's father, Albert Lee, referring to last week's massacre of 32 students by gunman Seung-Hui Cho. "I understand the situation."

    But he added: "I don't see how somebody can get charged by writing in their homework. The teacher asked them to express themselves, and he followed instructions."

    Allen Lee, an 18-year-old straight-A student at Cary-Grove High School, was arrested Tuesday near his home and charged with disorderly conduct for writing an essay police described as violently disturbing but not directed toward any specific person or location.

    The youth's father said his son was not suspended or expelled but was forced to attend classes elsewhere for now.

    Today, Cary-Grove students rallied behind the arrested teen by organizing a petition drive to let him back in their school. They posted on walls quotes from the English teacher in which she had encouraged students to express their emotions through writing.

    "I'm not going to lie. I signed the petition," said senior James Gitzinger. "But I can understand where the administration is coming from. I think I would react the same way if I was a teacher."

    Cary Police Chief Ron Delelio said the charge was appropriate even though the essay was not published or posted for public viewing.

    Disorderly conduct, which carries a penalty of 30 days in jail and a $1,500 fine, is filed for pranks such as pulling a fire alarm or dialing 911. But it can also apply when someone's writings can disturb an individual, Delelio said.

    "The teacher was alarmed and disturbed by the content," he said.

    But a civil rights advocate said the teacher's reaction to an essay shouldn't make it a crime.

    "One of the elements is that some sort of disorder or disruption is created," said Ed Yohnka, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. "When something is done in private—when a paper is handed in to a teacher—there isn't a disruption."

    The "key outcomes" this month for the Creative English class was for students to identify and utilize poetic conventions to communicate ideas and emotions. With that in mind, teachers reminded students that if they read something that posed a threat to self or others, the school could take action, said High School District 155 Supt. Jill Hawk.

    The English teacher read the essay and reported it to a supervisor and the principal. A round-table discussion with district officials conveyed, with lively debate, and they decided to report it to the police.

    "Our staff is very familiar with adolescent behavior. We're very well versed with types of creativity put into writing. We know the standards of adolescent behavior that are acceptable and that there is a range," Hawk said.

    "There can certainly be writing that conveys concern for us even though it does not name names location or date," he said.

    The charge against Lee comes as schools across the country wrestle with how to react in the wake of the shootings at the Virginia Tech campus at Blacksburg, Va.

    Bomb threats at high schools in Schaumburg and Country Club Hills have caused evacuations, and extra police were on duty at a Palos Hills high school this week because of a threatening note found in the bathroom of a McDonald's restaurant a half-mile away.

    Experts say the charge against Lee is troubling because it was over an essay that even police say contained no direct threats against anyone at the school. However, Virginia Tech's actions toward Cho came under heavy scrutiny after the killings because of the "disturbing" plays and essays teachers say he had written for classes.

    Simmie Baer, an attorney with the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, called the Cary incident an example of zero-tolerance policies gone awry. Children, she said, are not as sophisticated as adults and often show emotion through writing or pictures, which is what teachers should want because it is a safe outlet.

  2. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

    Ah Man! You got that right!

    It's a wonder it hasn't already happened!!!
  3. ptsmith24

    ptsmith24 New Member

    haha, i just saw him 15-20 minutes ago, it's cool.
  4. AV8R

    AV8R Banned

    Move along. Nothing to see here, folks... Just your (if you live in Chicago) tax dollars at work preventing prohibited thought. MOVE. ALONG. *NOW*.
  5. viper32cm

    viper32cm New Member

    Do these folks actually think before they arrest kids for crap like this!

    I mean COME ON! How stupid do you have to be?
  6. gsusnake

    gsusnake Token Liberal Hippie

    I want to read the essay.

    If it's powerful enough to "violently disturb" someone I may want to pay the kid to write papers for me...
  7. ptsmith24

    ptsmith24 New Member

  8. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

    So how do I go about notifying the correct law enforcement officials of how disturbing certain anti-gun legislation is to me. When people want to take my guns away I become "alarmed & disturbed".

    what a bunch of asshats. I just can't even think of what to say except I'd be finding an attny & sueing the pants off of the school & the PD for not looking at the school board & laughing in their face.
  9. foshizzle

    foshizzle New Member

    Bong Hits 4 Jesus.
  10. Dan H

    Dan H New Member

    Maybe they should arrest Stephen King too...
  11. glockgirl

    glockgirl Guest

    hmm don't let them read ramm's essays!

    (you know I love you ramm but you are one of the difficult kids) ;)
  12. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

    I always try to be. I make them work for that paycheck.
  13. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

    I can't wait for that verdict to come out.
  14. mmmTang

    mmmTang Member

    This just brought back some memories. It's this kind of crap that makes me (and my mom) thankful that I graduated high school a year before Columbine. I would have been expelled and/or arrested for so many different things if I was in high school or middle school with today's environment.

    I had an 8th grade English teacher fresh out of some random liberal school, and she had all kinds of great ideas about how to make middle school boys open up and share their feelings. I quickly grew tired of her trying to prove that we were all sensitive beings filled with joy instead of actually teaching us something, and I made her regret a few assignments. I think the first one she gave us was an essay about what we want to be when we grow up, but with fantasy thrown in. Her emphasis was subject material instead of writing skills, and I resented that for some reason. I wrote a nice little piece that was particularly violent and disturbing about wanting to be some monster who dined on people. That one earned me a couple visits to the school counselor/psychiatrist, but it was during that class period, so that was a bad lesson to teach me. :twisted: From then on I set out to scare the bejesus out of this lady everytime she tried out one of her "learning" assignments. I always made sure that the structure of the papers was excellent so that any criticisms would be with the subject I chose. And everytime I asked whether or not I would get in trouble before I started I was told I'd be fine. And almost every assignment I got would land me in in-school suspension or in the counselor's office. Apparently I just naturally knew how to scare that poor, freshly graduated teacher with her innocent ideals and high ambitions, and she eventually had me transfered out of her class.

    I think she had me kicked out for good when she gave the assignment "Sugar & Spice and everything nice, what are you made of?" where we had to make instructions as to how to bake a cake that is ourselves. I refused to write anything on the basis of the utter stupidity of the assignment, so she ended up kicking me out of the class. I think I got the better end of the deal than my classmates b/c I never had to write that paper. Of course, I was being a jackass and deserved my ISS, but I wonder if it ever dawned on her that the reason I was trying to scare her was that she had abandoned all efforts at teaching for the sake of boosting our self esteems?

    Nowadays I'd be expelled or forced to go on massive doses of Ritalin to keep me in line.

    I'd love to see some of those teachers again and point out how many different military aircraft have code running on them that I wrote. I wasn't actually twisted, much; I was just really, really bored.
  15. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

    Hey mmmTang:

    I've noticed a distrubing trend at this forum. Lots of anti-social, smart-assed, trouble-making kids turned out to be gun carrying adults.

    Wonder if there's a connection?

    Do we still have a need to validate our existances?

    Do we still have that chip on the shoulder attitude?

    Are we still anti-social, smart-assed, trouble-makers?

    I think we know the answers, and it's...

    Pretty scary! Huh?

    One of my proudest high school moments was hearing that Brother Reginald had suffered a "nervous breakdown"...

    Although, truthfully, I can't take full credit as it truly was a group effort, but I did more than my share.

    Eight years with the nuns and four more with the brothers. It's some kind of miracle you never read about me going postal someplace...

    And yet, I know for a fact, I'm not the only one here like that.

    Gongs? Ring a bell???

    Independent thinker or revolutionary? Hmmm.

    Still scary?

    The bigest difference between high school and now is I have more guns.

    Lots more...!!!