I Open Carried in a Prohibited Place Yesterday

Discussion in 'General GWL Questions' started by Malum Prohibitum, Jun 28, 2006.

  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, you read the title correctly.

    And I did it on purpose.

    :D
     
  2. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    MP,

    If you carried (openly or concealed) in GA, chances are excellent that you did so in a prohibited place.
    :wink:
    John
     

  3. ber950

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  4. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Now, with that having been said, this was not one of those places listed in the Georgia statutes.

    My weedeater broke several months ago, and I have a high bank of grass that I cannot mow for fear of flipping my riding mower. My beautiful wife has been after me for some time to purchase another weedeater. I knew that Sears was running a sale because I had seen the weedeaters when I purchased some automotive tools the previous weekend (while carrying concealed).

    This was the Sears at Shannon Mall in Union City. I know for a fact that they do not allow open carry in this mall. Standard procedure is to call the police, dog the customer until the police arrive, then approach with the police and ask the person to put the firearm in the vehicle in a parking lot with a pretty high rate of vehicle break-ins, or leave. Any refusal would of course get you arrested.

    I was wearing my .45 in a Bianchi Black Widow tan leather holster. I walked into Sears and began looking at the weedeaters, pleased to notice that the sale was still on. A sales associate approached, saw the gun (very obviously stared at it) - "Sir, may I help . . . " his voice trailed off as he began taking steps away from me, walking backward toward a corner where he could walk around it and disappear. His eyes remained locked on the firearm.

    I smiled, acted naturally as if I was not carrying, and said, "Sure, I would like to know what this one," I pointed to the one I was looking at, "will not do that the more expensive models will do."

    He was telling me as I asked the question that he had some other customers to help and was nervously pointing around the corner, still staring at the gun.

    Now, having shopped in this location many times, I knew there was less than ten feet of floor space around this particular corner and it was unlikely to hold a plethora of customers that I could neither see nor hear. Nor was a sales associate very likely to approach me and ask me if I needed assistance while he was helping invisible customers around the corner, only to immediately announce that he would not help me if I did, in fact, need assistance.

    :D

    I put on my biggest grin and politely said, "Sure," while nodding.

    I figured he was going to look for a telephone.

    He took one more step backward. At this point his wide, staring eyes had moved from the gun to my smiling face. His demeanor changed immediately, and he stepped toward me and readily answered my question with a detailed explanation of the differences between models.

    I had a couple more questions, which he answered knowledgeably and politely, and I purchased a weedeater.

    Once his demeanor changed, he became the most polite and helpful employee I have ever encountered at that particular store.

    The other "customers" never appeared, nor were they mentioned again by him or me. (I was half waiting for some irritated customers to appear, wondering why this man wasn't helping them for fifteen minutes or so).

    He never looked at the gun again, nor did he mention it.

    :wink:
     
  5. mzmtg

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    So how do you like that holster?
     
  6. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    It is my favorite. Pulls the gun up tight and hides it when covered about as well as one can hide a .45 H&K.

    Thumbstrap with a snap holds it pretty securely, but it can still be drawn swiftly, if needed.

    VERY comfortable for open carry, as well.
     
  7. ber950

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    So what was your plan if they called UCPD :?:
     
  8. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    mistaken assumption

    Malum, could the manager of the store have just assumed that you were an off-duty cop or detective? You are a physically fit and clean-cut looking guy. Some would even say that you have that "cop" look to you. What if it were fairly obvious that you were a civilian, perhaps due to your dress, your age, your size, or some physical disablity? (I suppose anybody could be a retired officer or an officer on disablity...)

    Anyhow, it's good that you helped a couple of people over their irrational fear of firearms. I just hope that it wasn't based on a false assumption that you were some kind of government agent.
     
  9. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Plan?
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Run! :D


    No plan. If any agent of the property told me to leave, I would have asked whether I could complete the sale first (give them money) and, if not, well, I would leave.

    Other places sell weedeaters, too. :wink:
     
  11. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Re: mistaken assumption

    He was not the manager, and he never said what he assumed. His initial reaction sure did not indicate that he thought that . . .

    Since I was there for 15-20 minutes, I was spotted by several other employees. Nobody else noticed or reacted that I could tell.

    All in all, it went very well after the initial reaction.
     
  12. mzmtg

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    Hmmm, maybe I'll pick one up. I carry a USP as well.
     
  13. ber950

    ber950 Active Member

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    That is not a bad plan. Open carry while browsing is not the best education tool. Open carry while buying hits them in the wallet.
     
  14. Gunstar1

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    You must tell the store manager so they will know a mall rule cost them that sale and future sales and service of the equipment (service makes more money than sales).
     
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  16. Malum Prohibitum

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    Well, the weedeater was the worst machine I have ever purchased and wuld not do the job. I returned it, but carried concealed (well, concealed as in a .45 outside the waistband under a T-shirt).

    The same person helped me, apologized, wanted to know if I would try another one. I did not, as I wanted to go get another John Deere brand (which I knew was good quality).

    Still polite, he did not charge me a restocking fee.

    I still buy my automotive tools there.
     
  17. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    And if he had attempted to charge a restocking fee, you would have told him the weedeater was not fit for a particular pupose and that you were revoking your acceptance of the goods, right?
     
  18. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    By the way, have you tried the metal blade attachment on a weedeater? It's brutally effective against thicker stuff, but eye protection is not optional!
     
  19. brianh

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    Should have bought a Stihl :wink:

    I rarely go into Shannon Mall but when I do I'm always armed. The place has developed quite a reputation. I'd have thought the clerk would be happy to see a clean cut, responsible pistol packin' customer.
     
  20. Malum Prohibitum

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    Brian, just FYI, do not overlook my admonition that mall policy is to call the police, bird dog you until the police arrive, and then, with the police present, ask you to put the gun in your car.

    How the police react depends on the officer.

    I knew guys that have a serious attitude problem about anybody but the police carrying in the mall. Most of them are not this way and just enforce the property owner's wishes.

    Oh, by the way, this mall policy even applies to off duty police officers who do not actually work for the city where the mall is located.