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Somebody forgot to tell these jokers.

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AJC.com[/URL]]Argument at Norcross bar ends in fatal shooting
By MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/18/07

Norcross police Thursday were investigating a fatal shooting at a Gwinnett County restaurant and bar.

The shooting occurred just after 1 a.m. at Barnacle's Seafood, Oysters & Sports in the 5900 block of Jimmy Carter Boulevard, Norcross police Capt. Brian Harr said.

Harr said that around midnight, a man got into an argument with a group of four other people on the patio of the restaurant. The argument led to a physical confrontation that was broken up by restaurant management, Harr said.

Witnesses told police that the man left, but not before stating that he was going to get a gun.

The 55-year-old man returned about 1 a.m. with a gun in his hand and approached the group he had argued with earlier.

Harr said a member of the group also had a gun, and fired one shot at the man, killing him.

The group remained at the restaurant after the shooting and gave police statements. No charges had been filed, Harr said just before daybreak.

The dead man's name was being withheld until relatives could be notified.
 

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I saw that on the news this morning.It might be self defense but he was carrying in a place that sells alcohol and who knows if he even had a GFL.
 

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For those of you that carry at PGs, this looks like good news:
Harr said a member of the group also had a gun, and fired one shot at the man, killing him.

The group remained at the restaurant after the shooting and gave police statements. No charges had been filed, Harr said just before daybreak.
 

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That does not mean that no charges will be filed. In addition, for all we know, it may have been somebody in the large list of exemptions in 16-11-130.
 

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That does not mean that no charges will be filed. In addition, for all we know, it may have been somebody in the large list of exemptions in 16-11-130.
How long do they have to file charges? And since I think you'd going to say "as long as they want," how long is normal before filing charges in a shooting case?
 

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If there will be no charges why do they refer to it as a homicide? They stated it was self-defense. I thought homicide indicated it was criminal.

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AJC.com[/URL]]Fatal shooting at Norcross bar marks Gwinnett homicide record
By MIKE MORRIS, GEORGE CHIDI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/18/07

Norcross police say they're unlikely to file charges in a fatal shooting at a local bar early Thursday.

The killing â€" the third homicide within the city limits this year â€" marks the record for Gwinnett County.

Police identified the dead man as Juan Ojeda, 54, a Spanish national living near Norcross who officers said was a regular at Barnacles Restaurant on Jimmy Carter Boulevard.

Another patron killed Ojeda in self defense, said Norcross Police Detective Jason Carter.

The homicide is the 41st for Gwinnett, according to the county medical examiner's office.

That surpasses last year's record of 40.

In the 1997 Gwinnett had only 17 homicides. But in since 2003, it has had more than 30 every year. Local law enforcement experts have cited the county's skyrocketing population.

Witnesses said Ojeda appeared to have been drinking when he drove up to the restaurant around midnight, Carter said. Ojeda joined a group of four other people  other regulars, but not well acquainted with the man  on the patio and became belligerent when one person asked Ojeda not to be obnoxious.

Carter said Ojeda grabbed one man's neck.

"Imagine a 54-year-old man putting a 26-year-old guy in a headlock," Carter said. Witnesses said that a moment later Ojeda feigned an apology, then lunged at another man and bit him in the neck, Carter said.

Managers and patrons ran Ojeda off, but he returned a few minutes later around 1 a.m., gun in hand, witnesses told Carter. As people on the patio scattered, one of the men he'd been sitting with ran away but drew his own gun, police said. The patron fired once, hitting Ojeda in the head as he stood in the parking lot, police said.

Police did not release the name of the patron who killed Ojeda, citing their continuing investigation. But they characterized the event as an apparent act of self defense.

The group remained at the restaurant after the shooting and gave police statements.

"They've been totally cooperative," Carter said.

Calls to relatives and co-workers of Ojeda were not returned.

"If you came in here in the afternoons, you'd recognize him," general manager Mike Ogozelec said of Ojeda, referring further questions to the restaurant's corporate office.
 

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VOLGRAD said:
If there will be no charges why do they refer to it as a homicide? They stated it was self-defense. I thought homicide indicated it was criminal.
No homicide means an unnatural death. Not necessarily a criminal one. Self defense is justifiable homicide.
 

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VOLGRAD said:
If there will be no charges why do they refer to it as a homicide? They stated it was self-defense. I thought homicide indicated it was criminal.
No homicide means an unnatural death. Not necessarily a criminal one. Self defense is justifiable homicide.
I have learned something today. Now, I must go back to sleep.

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Merriam-Webster.com[/URL]]homicide

Main Entry: ho·mi·cide
Pronunciation: \'hä-m?-?sid, 'ho-\
Function: noun
Etymology: in sense 1, from Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin homicida, from **** human being + -cida -cide; in sense 2, from Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin homicidium, from **** + -cidium -cide
Date: 14th century
1 : a person who kills another
2 : a killing of one human being by another
 
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