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I have a PTR 91, GI model rifle (.308 win/7.62 x 51). It has the HK style, four-position, rotating rear drum sight, and a hooded front post (blade actually). Until yesterday, my sight picture, through a process of mostly trial and error, was to cover the POI with the upper part of the front post, at 25 yds, using my rifle's #2 rear sight aperture.

However, at 100 yds (the max distance of the nearby public range), my 1/16" wide front post pretty much totally covered the 8.5" width of an 8.5 x 11 target. And then, when I joined a gun club last week, and was able to shoot at 200, 300, and 400 yds, I discovered that even a full-size silhouette could be hidden behind my front post at those distances.

So, yesterday I went back to the public range to adjust my sight picture to a 6:00 hold with the #2 rear sight aperture at 30 meters. I read that being "on" at 30 meters will also put me on at 200 meters. Then, theoretically, I should also be on at 300 meters with the #3 sight aperture, and on at 400 meters with the #4 sight aperture.

Here’s a photo of three shots before any elevation adjustment. I tried to touch (or set) the bottom of the 3†red square on the top edge of the front post.


And here are the first three shots, with the same sight picture, after my initial adjustment. All three rounds are inside the 1†diameter bulls-eye. I’ll take it!


And then, three more shots at a different target (2†diameter red bulls-eye) at the same distance.


Next, I put a 23†x 35†BC-27 target at 100 yds. I tried to hold on the chest area and fired three shots. After checking with my binoculars, I tried to hold on stomach area and fired three more shots.


After walking out to the check the previous shots up close, I held on the bottom of the target and fired five more shots.


It would appear that with that target, at that distance, with German surplus ammunition, I’m getting a POI about 7-8†above the POA.

Then I switched to Wolf Polyformance steel-cased ammunition and fired at two more targets. The first was 11†(height) x 17†(width); the second was 8.5†(height) x 11†(width) with a 6†red bulls-eye. On both, I tried to hold on the bottom edge of the target.

 

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That is some fine shooting. I have always had better results with a six o'clock hold. For me its so much easier to dot the I. Are you shooting off a bench or from a position?. If you are bench shooting you might want to look into an appleseed.
 

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I’ve switched to a 6:00 sight picture
For precision shooting, shooting for score, etc a 6 o'clock hold is hard to beat. I used it when shooting NRA Hi Power for a couple years.

For combat shooting maybe not so much. I prefer a center hold. Why? In static target shooting, it's very easy to position the black circle on top of the front sight post and adjust your elevation. In "social" settings, what part of the target exactly are you going to attempt to place on top of the front sight post?

On a stressed two-way range, I'd be confident that you will place that front sight post dead center on the target 100% of the time and fire away. If you're zeroed with a 6 o'clock hold your shots will be high.

Something to think about.
 

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I was taught that for high speed you aimed center of mass and the shot would go high into the golden triangle where you really want it.
 

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I was taught that for high speed you aimed center of mass and the shot would go high into the golden triangle where you really want it.
Depending on a bunch of variables, maybe, maybe not. I'm not putting down the 6 o'clock hold as I've used it myself with good results. Realistically, it's a competition technique. My old Rock River National Match A2 was set up with it. It's just my personal preference not to mix games and reality.
 

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.... In "social" settings, what part of the target exactly are you going to attempt to place on top of the front sight post?
I think you've just given me my next range assignment. I'll need to swing by my local gun shop and pick up some more "Mr. Bones" targets:

 

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I think you've just given me my next range assignment. I'll need to swing by my local gun shop and pick up some more "Mr. Bones" targets:

Careful. People might think you're becoming radicalized by the internet! :lol:
 
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