Hypothetical on AWB

Discussion in 'Firearm Related' started by gunsmoker, Nov 27, 2020.

How much weaker are the Armed Citizens collectively after the AWB?

This poll will close on Feb 25, 2021 at 12:14 PM.
  1. no meaningful reduction in the peoples ability to fight an evil tyrannical government.

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    9.1%
  2. only a ten or 20% reduction in fighting ability.

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    18.2%
  3. a 25% to 33% reduction in the collective lethality of American civilians.

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    0.0%
  4. The People's fighting ability will be nearly cut in half-- say a 40% to 55% reduction.

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    0.0%
  5. It would knock down our ability to fight to about 1/3 of what it had previously been.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. The hit we'd take would strip us of 80% of our potential lethality.

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    36.4%
  7. This would reduce our effectiveness as a fighting force by 90% or more.

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Suppose Biden / Harris / O'Rorke (gun Czar)

    succeed in making all assault weapons disappear-- and all quick detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are Gone! All Standard AR's, a AK's, M1A's and anything else that was on the federal assault weapons ban list from 1994 to 2004 is just gone.

    For this hypothetical let's assume they weren't just banned, but they were made to disappear. Confiscated, but without the necessity to do door-to-door searches and seizures let's say they were all made to disappear all at once.
    Or assume the gov't offered a generous price to do a buyback of these guns and magazines and there was a 100% level of compliance among the American public everybody turned in their 30 round mags everybody turned in their Uzis and Tech Nines, and we all got money and we were all told that we are free to buy replacement weapons that comply with the new federal assault weapon regulations.

    And we can buy as any 10 round magazines as we wish, but no drum mags, no ammo belts, no grenade launchers, no bayonets, no flash hiders, nothing paramilitary allowed about our guns, per the terms if the 1994-2004 federal law.

    Let's say that keeping them is not an option, even if you were willing register them with BATF and pay the $200 tax. Take that off the table-- the weapons are simply gone.

    Now here's the key question, and the subject of the poll:

    HOW MUCH HAS YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT AGAINST A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT, as contemplated in the Second Amendment, BEEN COMPROMISED?

    What is the percent of degradation in
    the potential lethality of "the armed citizenry" over the next few years, but AFTER people have had adequate time to buy replacement weapons & mags for those that disappeared.
     
  2. mrhutch

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    An AWB or any taxes proposed would have 0 affect on the guns i own.
    Interpret that as you will.
     
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  3. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    I guess you are anticipating pigs growing wings and taking flight at the same time guns just simply vanish off the face of the earth?
     
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  4. 45_Fan

    45_Fan Well-Known Member

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    Squirrel!
     
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  5. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    I interpret is as: You can't follow simple instructions.

    This is a hypothetical; take the facts as given or you aren't really answering the question.
    You don't need to beat your chest and say
    "God guns and guts made America free... "
    "I dare you to take mine"...
    "From my cold dead hands..."
    and all that other macho b***s***
     
  6. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    Actually the hypothetical is not based in facts. that's why it is only hypothetical. While there may be some turn them in without questioning there will be a majority that resist. The ability to take on a tyrant in office could well be supported by the military or even the secret service. While you make the hypothetical lean to a total surrender without question there is nothing else that can be decided since you have already decided the outcome in the way it's laid out. Therefore the choices are moot and not even worth mentioning.
     
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  7. MLS 4506

    MLS 4506 Well-Known Member

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    see my sig. line
     
  8. Craftsman

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    My issue with the "hypothetical" is most of the friction I anticipate should such laws go into effect is around the legal, political, and potentially physical fight regarding said laws. Therefore this "hypothetical" scenario skips past the chase, the climax, and the epilog. It nods to "happily ever after" in passing.
    But to answer the question with another question, do you believe the left would stop with their current wish list if they got it all? Past history shows they would merely create a new fabric of lies and go after more guns. Maybe demonizing military-capable sniper guns (AKA Hunting Rifles) or indiscriminate spatter killing machines ( shotguns). So yes, we would be impaired in our ability to resist morally, legally, politically, and physically to the guaranteed follow on attacks to our rights should your hypothetical nightmare come to pass.
     
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  9. moe mensale

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    A rapture for semi-automatic forearms? Will this be an equal opportunity rapture that snatches up the semi autos of the commies (antifa, blm, democrats in general, etc) as well as the deplorables? Or are you envisioning a one-sided snatch in which case your hypothetical is useless.
     
  10. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    There is no "AFTER" after all the semi-autos miraculously disappear all at once. Even if it's from both sides. What happens at that point is the implementation of the commies pogroms of roundups, re-education or just plain old genocides. Have you already forgotten the history lessons of the 20th century?
     
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  11. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. How hard do you think it is for disarmed, pissed off, determined people to reacquire a firearm or three from the state's agents?
     
  12. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Bump.

    Need more voters than the handful who hit the poll so far.

    To the 5 people who said their ability to fight back would be crippled without having a modern semi automatic assault weapon with all the paramilitary tactical gadgets and features --do you really believe this, or are you just voting to send a message of "I'm against gun control?"
     
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  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    9CC34AE1-01BF-4C03-AB0A-BB97A8DA268B.jpeg I'm thinking all those semi-auto rifles with conventional stocks, no paramilitary muzzle accessories, and that use either internal magazines or a detachable box magazine with a maximum capacity of 10 rounds,

    still represent plenty of firepower in the American peoples hands, for 2A purposes.
     

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  14. Malum Prohibitum

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    Read The Gun, by C.J. Chivers.


    It is a great history read, if nothing else, he brings examples of full auto firepower in a compact package with low powered rounds (e.g., the AK-47, for which this book is almost a biography) demonstrating how they were a game changer. Suddenly half a dozen people could hold off a large military contingent or actually assault a location with superior numbers.

    So, I am unable to vote, because I am not sure any of the selections reflect my opinion. I think fighting capability was neutered in 1986 (FOPA).

    Banning AR15s does indeed further neuter an already neutered dog.

    I would spend my time picking off important targets from a distance and melting into the environment until they found me and killed me. That would probably require a scoped rifle, preferably heavy barreled and bolt action, and good ammunition, which would be hard to come by in such a dire situation, which I do not honestly expect to see in my lifetime. Lots of semiautomatic rifles in private hands, however, would help a lot, provided sufficient ammunition and Americans willing to use them. We lack both.

    Anyway, Americans support socialism, so things will just keep sliding toward centralized planning bit by bit in a peaceful manner.

    Think how many of you support things like social security and medicare? You are frogs in water that is already 190 degrees, and you rattle your sabres over the remaining 22 degrees while accepting and supporting the 190 . . . you will be brought along on the remaining 22 degrees peacefully, maybe grumbling a little, and your grandchildren will never even think there was anything wrong . . .

    How many of you support permitting insurance companies to deny health coverage for pre-existing conditions? Obesity?

    LOL! See my point? And that is a recent bit of central planning that denies you and the insurance company choices you would otherwise be free to make.

    It will continue, and some more, and one more here, and one more there . . . at what point to hundreds of thousands of Americans surround Washington and build fortifications and shoot at the baby faced 19 year olds in camp who are sent out ordered to fight what they are told are "domestic terrorists?" How many continue the fight after artillery and air strikes kill 100,000 or more?

    And you did not do this over Obamacare, or Medicare, or Social Security . . . you won't do it when they ban this or that with a grandfather clause, either, just like you did not do it in 1994 or in 1986. Hell, let's face it, most of you did not even notice 1986. Some of you may even now only be hearing about it for the first time.

    Armed revolution? Don't make me laugh. We don't have men like the thousands of New Englanders who, without hesitation, invested Boston with a siege in 1775. They do not exist in 2020 in this soft socialist gimme gimme control freak country.
     
  15. moe mensale

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    Are you saying these sort of semi-auto weapons would be available to legally purchase after your hypothetical "semi-auto gun rapture?" Why would President Knee Pads allow such a thing to slip through?
     
  16. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Re-read The original post Mo my hypothetical is based on the 1994 assault weapon ban that Congress passed but lacking any grandfather clause that lets you keep all the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines you already own (and freely trade them or sell them to other citizens.)

    If you don't like my hypothetical feel free to start your own question, and your own poll, with a different set of facts -- a different scenario .
     
  17. Malum Prohibitum

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    Biden's proposal is to have them classified as NFA weapons on a Form 4. Magazines, too. Or purchased by the government in a buy back.
     
  18. Bkite

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    Do you see this as an infringement as referred to in the second amendment?