HK question - apology in advance if this is dumb question

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by VolGrad, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I was looking at a HK catalog for the first time last night. I have read about them and have seen them in the counter but never handled or fired one. I might be interested in a USP Compact 9 mm and see a reference to 9 firing modes. What does this mean? What would the 9 firing modes be?
     
  2. ber950

    ber950 Active Member

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    http://www.gunjunkie.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22

    USP

    One of the remarkable features of the USP is the wide variety of the trigger styles available, which may be quickly swapped. There are nine commercially available modifications (called "variants" by HK).

    By using a modular approach to the internal components, the control functions of the USP can be switched from the left to the right side of the pistol for left handed shooters. The USP can also be converted from one type of trigger/firing mode to another. This includes combination of double-action and single-action (DA/SA) modes and double-action only (DAO) modes.

    In addition to a wide selection of trigger/firing modes, the USP has an ambidextrous magazine release lever that is shielded by the trigger guard from inadvertent actuation. The rear of the USP grip is stepped, and combines well with the tapered magazine, making magazine changes faster due to lack of user-assisted guiding. Finger recesses in the grip frame also aid in magazine removal. On 9 mm and .40 caliber USPs, magazines are constructed of polymer reinforced with stainless steel. Magazines on the USP .45 are all-metal. All USP magazines will drop free of the pistol frame when the magazine release is depressed. Also, the USP does not have a magazine lockout feature — it is possible to fire a chambered round even with the magazine removed. An extended slide release lever is positioned to allow easy operation without changing the grip of the shooting hand.

    Variant 1 and 2 (double action/single action, decocking and safety lever)
    Variants 1 (lever on left)and 2 (lever on right) allow the user to carry the pistol in a single-action mode (cocked and locked) with the manual safety engaged. This same pistol, without modification, can be carried in double-action mode, with or without the manual safety engaged, and with the benefit of a decock lever.
    Variants 3 and 4 (double action/single action, decocking lever, but no safety)
    Variants 3 (lever on left) and 4 (lever on right) provide the user with a frame-mounted decocking lever that does not have the "safe" position. This combination only allows the hammer to be lowered from SA position to DA position. It does not provide the "safe" position to prevent the pistol from firing when the trigger is pulled.
    Variants 5 and 6 (double action only, with safety lever)
    For the double action only user, variants 5 (lever on left), 6 (lever on right), and of the USP operate as double action only pistols with a bobbed hammer always returning to the DA position (forward) after each shot is fired. To fire each shot, the trigger must be pulled through the smooth DA trigger pull. Variants 5 and 6 have a manual safety lever.
    Variants 7 (double action only, no control lever)
    No control lever is provided on variant 7.
    Variants 8 and 9 (double action/single action, safety lever, but no decocking)
    Variants 8 (lever on left) and 9 (lever on right) allow the shooter to carry the pistol in a single-action mode (cocked and locked) with the manual safety engaged. This same pistol, without modification, can be carried in double-action mode (hammer down), with or without the manual safety engaged. The single action mode offers a second strike/double action capability in case of a misfire. The control lever has no decocking function on variants 8 and 9.
     

  3. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    Holy cow - that was a fast response. I saw this table of "variants" and wondered if this was what they were talking about. I would want the SA/DA with decocker and safety. Does this mean if one could not find exactly what they wanted a gunsmith could just convert theirs? How involved is this?

    Thanks for such a quick and thorough response.
     
  4. ber950

    ber950 Active Member

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    IIRC HK will reconfigure your pistol in house. Not sure what they charge.

    Oh I just did a Google search. You made me curious.
     
  5. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    That is what I was doing when you replied - a Google search. I think Clyde has what I want with factory night sights in stock. Now I just have to work up the nerve to "pull the trigger". Forgive my pun. It will likely require liquidating some of my other assets first. As soon as my requirements for posting to the Buy/Sell/Trade forum have been made you will likely see Sell notices.
    Thanks again for the info.

    I have been watching the thread about USP Compacts for rent. It looks like folks that have them seem to like them.

    Frame size and caliber being equal - can anyone rank them somewhere in the following list. This is what I have already and wonder where other folks would rank them. Below is my prefs.

    Sig
    Glock
    Beretta
     
  6. M249

    M249 New Member

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    Georgia Range and Guns has a USP Compact for rent in 9mm. Directions are in the aforementioned thread.
     
  7. tace

    tace New Member

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    Honestly I kinda regret not picking up a USP Compact 9mm when I got a compact last time. But, I got a gun that was almost (not quite) as good for more than $200 less. That's a lot of training ammo :)

    The other compact I might consider, depending on price, is SIG 250C
     
  8. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

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    The Firing Lane has a couple of USPs for rent.
     
  9. tj2000

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    Re: HK question - apology in advance if this is dumb questio

    Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, and Bang.

    Sorry I couldn't resist.

    :rotfl2:
     
  10. blind_shake

    blind_shake Well-Known Member

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    I carry a USPc 9mm ver 1, I put about 1000 rnds thru it with only 2 stove pipes but I chaulk that up to handling error since it was in the 1st 10 shots. After that it just ate everything I put through it. I currently have Fed Hydrashoks 135gr low recoil in it right now. Def worth the buy. I might be a little bias since I own a full size USP 45 also. :)
     
  11. mzmtg

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    Assuming you are right handed, that's Variant 1. This is BY FAR the most common USP Variant.

    You will have no problem finding one.

    I carry a USP .40S&W Var. 1 every day. 8)
     
  12. Bulldawg182

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    Which Glock 9mm does the H&K USP Compact 9 most closely resemble in SIZE? Is it closer to a 26, 19 or 17?
     
  13. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

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    I'd say somewhere probably a little larger than a 19 as teh slide is bigger.
     
  14. ptsmith24

    ptsmith24 New Member

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    There is no useful information in this post.

    There are no such things as dumb questions, just dumb people. :lol:
     
  15. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    Rent? Why rent when you can buy? I know it probably wasn't the best thing to do but I went this afternoon to Clydes Armory to counter surf and feel the USP. I really should have went to the Firing Lane and rented one to make sure I like the way it shoots, but I just couldn't back down once I had it in my hands.

    Yes, I bought it. Now, I really need to liquidate some others.....

    However, the man behind the counter said, "You can never have too many guns or too much ammo." His quote is much better than what my wife says about how many guns are "necessary".
     
  16. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

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    Congrats. We need to meet at the ARC again real soon. :wink:
     
  17. Bulldawg182

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    You know you guys are all a bad, bad influence on me. I promised myself I was done buying guns and now all this talk and pictures of Sigs & HKs is getting me all riled up again.

    My wife says I can't play with you folks anymore! :oops: :cry: :roll:
     
  18. M249

    M249 New Member

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    :twisted: Don't you have BRD, too?
     
  19. Bulldawg182

    Bulldawg182 Active Member

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    I'm sure I'm gonna regret asking this, but what is a BRD?
     
  20. M249

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    Black Rifle Disease... if you don't know what it is, you probably don't have it. :wink: