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ptsmith24 said:
I don't see anything wrong with hiring day laborers... Isn't that how a free market is supposed to work?
Sure, except that we aren't a truly free market anymore. Too much government regulation and intervention.
 

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ptsmith24 said:
I don't see anything wrong with hiring day laborers... Isn't that how a free market is supposed to work?
Sure, except that we aren't a truly free market anymore. Too much government regulation and intervention.
I know we aren't, but we should be. That intervention is one of the major things that is screwing everything up.
 

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ptsmith24 said:
I don't see anything wrong with hiring day laborers... Isn't that how a free market is supposed to work?
:exactly:
As long as they are here legally it is OK!! :2cents:
 

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From their eyes, it seems like it would be easier to be illegal because of the screwed up SS/Welfare/Health Care system... Fix that, and we'll be headed in the right direction, IMO.
 

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ptsmith24 said:
pro2am said:
ptsmith24 said:
I don't see anything wrong with hiring day laborers... Isn't that how a free market is supposed to work?
Sure, except that we aren't a truly free market anymore. Too much government regulation and intervention.
I know we aren't, but we should be. That intervention is one of the major things that is screwing everything up.
Clean air standards anyone? How about uncontaminated water? Or food safety standards? Mine safety standards? Restrictions on monopoly power? And the list could go on and on.

A truly free market would do away with all governmental regulations on business and allow a free for all that might be good in the short term for a few ultra-wealthy people, but the harm done to all of us in pricing controls, product choice, barriers to entry, safe air, food and water, and the environment in general would be catastrophic. Business has as its overriding goal the creation of a profit in the short term. Rely on that without any oversight and we all lose.

No thanks, I'll keep government regulation of business.
 

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ptsmith24 said:
From their eyes, it seems like it would be easier to be illegal because of the screwed up SS/Welfare/Health Care system... Fix that, and we'll be headed in the right direction, IMO.
Illegals don't see it other than free health care and SS benefits for ALLLLLLL their dependands. We need to CLOSE the borders, track down the illegals like the dirt dogs they are and send them back and then we fix the system. If they try to sneak back in we shoot them for trespassing like you would for someone trying to break in to your house.............
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There I feel much better know.
 

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Thorsen said:
Restrictions on monopoly power? . . .

A truly free market would do away with all governmental regulations . . . but the harm done to all of us in pricing controls, product choice, barriers to entry . . .
Monopolies rarely arise without government intervention and support. There is a whole thread on this somewhere in Off Topic.
 

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Thorsen said:
ptsmith24 said:
pro2am said:
ptsmith24 said:
I don't see anything wrong with hiring day laborers... Isn't that how a free market is supposed to work?
Sure, except that we aren't a truly free market anymore. Too much government regulation and intervention.
I know we aren't, but we should be. That intervention is one of the major things that is screwing everything up.
Clean air standards anyone? How about uncontaminated water? Or food safety standards? Mine safety standards? Restrictions on monopoly power? And the list could go on and on.

A truly free market would do away with all governmental regulations on business and allow a free for all that might be good in the short term for a few ultra-wealthy people, but the harm done to all of us in pricing controls, product choice, barriers to entry, safe air, food and water, and the environment in general would be catastrophic. Business has as its overriding goal the creation of a profit in the short term. Rely on that without any oversight and we all lose.

No thanks, I'll keep government regulation of business.
Bridge collapses anyone? :roll: The government does a real effective job. They need to at least get their priorities together before I lose the little bit of faith I still have in them.
 

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i don't have a problem with day workers, as long as they are here legally on a work visa or are legal resident aliens.

i do have a problem with this...

Spanish-speaking immigrants
...when they are here illegally.

if they are here legally, they need to speak English. if they are here illegally, they need to be shot, and left for the buzzards in the desert. we must allow the national guard and the border patrol to do their job in the name of homeland security.

this threat is real, and second only to islamic terrorism.

my 2 cents
 

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ptsmith24 said:
Bridge collapses anyone? :roll: The government does a real effective job. They need to at least get their priorities together before I lose the little bit of faith I still have in them.
Hey I never said that government was efficient. My arguement is that government is the only organization that can effectively police business practices. Even with government oversight we constantly run into the problem of government regulators being either originally from the industry they are in charge of regulating, or on their way to a job in that industry once they leave government service.

Its shameful, but as of right now it is the best system we have to work with.
 

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ptsmith24 said:
Bridge collapses anyone? :roll: The government does a real effective job. They need to at least get their priorities together before I lose the little bit of faith I still have in them.
Hey I never said that government was efficient. My arguement is that government is the only organization that can effectively police business practices. Even with government oversight we constantly run into the problem of government regulators being either originally from the industry they are in charge of regulating, or on their way to a job in that industry once they leave government service.

Its shameful, but as of right now it is the best system we have to work with.
True. That's why we must elect someone worthwhile. :wink:
 

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Harsh you say?

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special
ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in
our language.

2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are
here.

3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food
stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal
to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT
options will be restricted. They are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign
flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and
sent straight to jail.


Harsh, you say ?...

The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO


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