Hillary: Heller was About Protecting Toddlers

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  1. mountainpass

    mountainpass Under Scrutiny

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  2. Verbal101

    Verbal101 Active Member

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    Just - wow.

     

  3. mountainpass

    mountainpass Under Scrutiny

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    [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veKQOiKIO4w&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
     
  4. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    well...

    The plain language of the Second Amendment says "shall not be infringed."
    Not "erased" or "decimated" but even infringed.
    Arguably (and many here WILL argue) that means gun rights cannot be hindered at all. Not one penny of taxation, not one second's delay to fill out any form or submit to any questioning.

    The 2A does not come with an age limit. Nor does it say that it doesn't apply to felons, mental cases, etc.

    Therefore, HELLER really was, or COULD HAVE BEEN, about what the limits are on the Second Amendment.
    Does it really mean ANY GUN,
    ANY PLACE,
    BY ANY PERSON,
    AT ANY TIME,
    ANONYMOUSLY and NO QUESTIONS ASKED?

    The Court had the opportunity to rule that the 2A is a bright-line rule that forbids gun control, period. They did not do so. They could have spoken about how old a person must be to enjoy full (or even limited) 2A rights.
    They did not put such dicta into the Court's opinion (but they did give such dicta on the topic of security-sensitive locations, and fully automatic weapons, neither were on point to Mr. Heller's situation).
     
  5. DonT

    DonT Deplorable bitter clinger.

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    I about fell out of my chair when Hillary made that claim. Heller was about protecting toddlers. Wow.
     
  6. codegeek

    codegeek codegeek reincarnate

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    Basically, the Heller decision reinforced the power of the Supreme Court to make things up as they go along where the 2A is concerned.
     
  7. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    the "safe storage" law that D.C. had was part of the Heller litigation, and the Court addressed it and decided it (in our favor).
    I don't think it's a lie to say that the problem of children finding their parents' guns and killing themselves or their playmates by accident was the primary purpose of the safe storage law in D.C.

    Therefore, protecting toddlers from getting their hands on guns belonging to adults WAS half of what the HELLER case was about (the other half being the right to own a handgun in the first place, as contrasted with using a long gun for home defense).
     
  8. Craftsman

    Craftsman Well-Known Member

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    Somebody get a NASCAR driver to teach Hillary how to execute a sponsor shout-out.
     
  9. tmoore912

    tmoore912 Just a Man

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    Hillary is just really deflecting here with her statement about protecting kids, and pushing a new agenda within the Gun Control groups and MSM about safe storage laws.



    http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...no-hillary-clinton-not-support-2nd-amendment/
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2016
  10. Tom S.

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    Dear compassionate Hillary . . . .

    Dear compassionate Hillary will do anything to protect toddlers - but if you're scheduled to be born tomorrow she couldn't care less if you are ripped from the womb piece by piece and flushed down the toilet! Rant off. Sorry but I just had to get that off my chest. Her holier than thou hypocrisy just makes me sick sometimes.
    Tom
     
  11. Phil1979

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    The truth is that Hillary would appoint Supreme Court justices that would uphold any local and state laws that would require gun owners to keep their disassembled firearms locked in one safe, and their ammo locked in another.

    This surely would help prevent accidental deaths, IF people complied with it, but it would also defeat the purpose of having firearms in the first place, which is to protect your family from armed robbers, rapists, and murderers. No one would be able to get all the parts assembled and get it loaded as criminals are breaking in.

    There are ways to have your guns immediately available and ready to use as tools to save your life, and at the same time keep them out of the hands of small children. Parents are best to know what those ways are, not the government.

    The government has zero right to tell me how to safely handle my own property in my own home, nor does it have the right to tell me how to raise my children.
     
  12. Rugerer

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    The "primary purpose" depends on the goals of the framers of the bill. If the goal of those framers is to couch gun-ban goals with innocent-sounding language about "safety," their "purpose" is not what their words say.

    If they really did intend to protect toddlers, what level of scrutiny would that claim survive?

    If you got any more indirect with your claim, you would not be much far off from the government's claim that the Gun Free School Zone act of 1990 was constitutional under the Commerce Clause, because guns in schools make kids afraid to learn, and an uneducated populace leads to a weaker national economy, ergo an interstate concern is present.
     
  13. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    She's such a liar its not even funny
     
  14. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    She wants to protect toddlers so much, she wants you to be able to kill all the babies before they even get to be a toddler.
     
  15. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Nailed it
     
  16. DonT

    DonT Deplorable bitter clinger.

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    Guns killing toddlers are scary and awful. But car accidents, bicycle accidents, poisons, and swimming pools, not so much.
     
  17. Rugerer

    Rugerer GeePeeDoHolic

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    I think a small positive point for the ever-changing #nonsense messaging is that it shows each message isn't getting traction and they try something else.