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Someone has recently said this about their Army career:

My primary Military Occupational Specialties (MOS) was 11 Bravo (Infantry). I also specialize in Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT), hostage rescue, and reconnaissance. My secondary MOS was 33W, military intelligence.
They claim to have served for 6 years.

I'm just curious if this is realistic or just someone full of crap.

Thanks!
 

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Grunt would be able to confirm it, but I've never heard of a secondary MOS like that.
That would be like a Navy guy saying he was a Boatswains Mate, with a secondary rate of Intelligence Specialist.
 

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Can you change MOS? Maybe he meant second instead of secondary. He randomly pluralized Specialty, so I'm not going to presume English language skill.
 

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No expert here, but there's a wiki article that explains how the Army combined several 33 MOSs into 33W on 2 July 1998, then on 1 October 2007, the 33W designation was renamed to 35T to group all MI MOSs in the 35 series.

So depending on his time in, it passes the sniff test. If you're questioning it, there might be something off about the guy - but I don't trust anyone. :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35T
 

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You can have primary and secondary. Multiple mos's is pretty common. My primary is 68w health care specialist and my secondary is 92y unit supply specialist. It's pretty easy to reclass at different points in your career.

Just from the info you gave, there's nothing too crazy sounding. That's not an endorsement, just saying not necessarily any big red flags. I don't know every single mos though.
 

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He claimed he was 1st Lieutenant. I know he was in the Army National Guard. He could never have gone overseas because he was apparently earning a Finance and MSIT degree from UGA from 2004 to 2009. The Army career was stated to be from 2002 to 2009.

This was from a long lost friend/neighbor from my days at UGA. I haven't talked to him in years, but found this information on a popular professional networking site. He was a nice guy, but after seeing this information I have doubts about his honesty.
 

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Well, an Infantry Officer is an 11A. He may had been enlisted prior to that and been a MI guy claiming a secondary MOS. 33W has since turned into 35T I'm pretty sure also. System maintainers.

However...saying you are "specialized" in hostage rescue and MOUT...blah blah blah...has about the same meaning as saying I was "specialized" in running the buffer in the hallway.

Unless you peruse it more by asking what units or schools it's hard to tell.
 

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Hawkdriver is correct, if he was an officer he would not be an 11B that would be 11A, I am pretty sure that almost all specialties would have the "A" at the end for an officer. It is however possible to have two MOS's if they go and reclassify, but this is very difficult for an officer to do, usually they go to their officer basic training program and given one MOS and that is it. AS far as the MOUT and hostage rescue stuff that is BS. No LT I ever met was a specialist in anything other than paperwork. Even for a LT in the Ranger Battalion to say he is a specialist in hostage rescue would be BS, and he would get slapped by his CO. So my feelings are that most if this guy's story is crap.


on a side note sorry about my above posts, computer screwed up.
 

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If he was in ROTC then technically he would not be a LT until he graduated an received his commission, according to Glocker that would have been in 2009. So prior to that more than likely he was just an enlisted in the National Guard, and again, no one in the National Guard, or any LT is a MOUT or hostage rescue specialist. The 2 MOS thing, that is possible. I was a 13F on active duty, once I earned my Ranger tab that gave me a secondary MOS of 11B, and I spent a year in the reserves as an 88N, whatever the heck that is.
 

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There are not "specialists" per se, but units or even individuals can "specialize" in one thing or another. I'm a medic, but I got sent to a search and extraction course, so in my unit, I was "specialized" in search and extraction. What it meant in practical terms was that when we did our CERFP missions, I was put with the search teams.

Point is that I'm not necessarily calling BS just yet. Could be he went to a course or something that not everyone else attended. So for his unit, he was the "mout specialist". Maybe a little self important, but not necessarily BS.

Again, not vouching, just giving benefit of the doubt until more info comes out.
 

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I did 8 years in the military between active duty and Guard. On thing I can say with certainty is that while it is possible to have done all that this fellow has said he did most people that do interesting things don't brag about it.
 

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dunkel said:
My primary is 68w health care specialist
What's up doc?...former 91B Medical Specialist here. I did my AIT in 1993 (F-232 medical Bn @ Ft. Sam Houston)
 

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I did 8 years in the military between active duty and Guard. On thing I can say with certainty is that while it is possible to have done all that this fellow has said he did most people that do interesting things don't brag about it.
Oh your just mad that you didn't qualify for the poop burning specialty. :lol:
 

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mathar1 said:
jdh31313 said:
I did 8 years in the military between active duty and Guard. On thing I can say with certainty is that while it is possible to have done all that this fellow has said he did most people that do interesting things don't brag about it.
Oh your just mad that you didn't qualify for the poop burning specialty. :lol:
He just couldn't get the hang of ringing the doorbell after setting the bag of poo on fire.
 

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Someone taught me how to burn poop one time, I guess I was the unit's $%!# burner
When I first got to my previous unit, I noticed there was a guy that no one messed with. Leadership pretty much left him alone to do his own thing. When we went on AT, he brought golf clubs and hit the links. I just couldn't figure it out.

Then someone told me the story. On their first deployment to Iraq, in '03 before I got with them, they had to burn their crap. This guy got the duty somehow. And kept the duty. For the whole year, he was their crap burner. I wasn't there, so I'll never know the whole story. Why did he stick with it? Why didn't someone in leadership pull him from it? How much crap did he end up burning? I'll never know.

What I do know is that after that, no one messed with him. I guess they figured he put up with enough crap and didn't want to give him anymore. Unless they absolutely needed him for something, he was left alone.

So yeah, there ya go.

JDH, yup, it's still down at Ft. Sam. Oh, if only I had been younger and single for those 16 weeks...San Antonio would have been quite an adventure :wink:
 

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Can't state anything specific to the Army but I had two NEC's (navy version of the MOS), one primary and one secondary when I was in. Depending on what schools you attended later people could also become "specialists" for their unit in various things unrelated to their primary occupation. For instance, my primary occupation was as a supervisory nuclear mechanic but I was also qualified and led a team in the torpedo room (among many other things). My dad was a Captain in the Army back in Vietnam in construction but was also a CRBN instructor so I wouldn't be surprised if at one of his units he was assigned a job that got him to be a "specialist" in a certain area.
 

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Sounds like he is trying to church up his service using some word play. No one "specializes" in anything. "special" skills get an identifier..or an extra little number on their MOS code. For instance, 11B2C30. 11B means "Infantryman" 2C "Javelin Qualified" 30 means E-6, or Staff Sergeant. There is no specializing in MOUNT. Can you be really good at it? Sure. I was sent to several courses hosted by various units and LE Agencies on it, spent some time training other units on it. Was the Company go to guy on it. One of several in the Brigade that was picked to train soldiers within the whole Brigade on it. Doesn't mean I was specialized in it. Perhaps I could say I was a Subject Matter Expert in the deal...but then again, just about any E-6 11B out there should be...along with a whole laundry list of other skills. I wouldn't say hostage rescue is heavily focused on, or even lightly. But you are trained on not to shoot non-hostile persons in a room. See how that works? Trained to not shoot "good guys" in a MOUNT environment = Hostage Rescue. Saying you are trained in Hostage Rescue....your a douche and someone needs to kick your ass.

You will have NCO's that are all a little better at some particular aspect of the 11B world and others a little better at something else. Lots of people of different ranks came to me when they had questions about MOUNT because that particular aspect I was really knowledgeable about. Meanwhile, if someone (including me) had questions about say Linear Ambushes or Support BY Fire, etc then we go to the guy who was more knowledgeable about that particular task/skill. Again, doesn't make you Specialized in it, just the resident Subject Matter Expert.

Like I said, sounds like he was trying to hype up what he did. To me when people do that it means one thing...they were a half assed soldier who needs to make everyone think they were some kinda badass by inflating their job description, because in reality they were a POS.
 
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