property...either the individual owns it (private), or the nation/countrymen/collective does (public). they are mutually exclusive options. you've just contradicted yourself, again, using different words.
He's talking about some abstract idea that has no bearing in reality. It has no actual physical presence or meaning in this world. Its just some abstract idea to try to justify and rationalize theft.
Not surprising, because logic tells you theft is bad.
Only made up abstract arguments and logic that have no bearing in reality can be used to try to explain how theft is ok.
Armed robbers rationalize their actions as well, and those rationalizations work in their minds, but from an outside, objective observer, its fairly obvious that his actions are wrong, and theft is morally wrong.
That's the best I can tell. He's a good guy, I know it. I can see it in his writings. He's not overtly, vicious, nasty and angry like what I'm used to dealing with. He is very logical and reasonable.
these are strawmen. i sense that you're more capable than that, and i'm not dumb enough to be distracted by them. save us both the time.
He's most certainly capable of a lot.
you're trying to make both logical and moral cases for your position. however, you're ignoring the hidden cost...slavery. to "save a job", as you would put it, you would necessarily enslave another, the owner of the company. that's not moral.
Wow, that truth just hit home really heavy right now. Well said man. The logic is undeniable.
That is straight out of Ayn Rand or Atlas Shrugged. I love it.
what authority do you have to tell people what they can or cannot buy; do or cannot do? who exactly do you think you are to determine that for others? would you allow me the same authority over you? if not, why not? if so, it's a wash. so, your position isn't logical, either.
I think its just been so ingrained in our American culture from a young age, this US v. THEM mentality of "Well if my guy wins, we get to tell the other guys what they have to do for 4 years." Or whatever. Its a joke.
Right leg, left leg, the march towards complete tyranny marches on.
If MY politician gets in, then WE'LL be able to force all the other people to do what WE want them to do, at the tip of a government gun, and I will finally get MY way.
Its a very selfish ideology. I've found all forms of collectivism to be.
So the politicians and cops are the "Bullies," the political class, and the people who support them and cheer them on are their friends and supporters, who are ok with their bully getting in and forcing those other people over there to do or not do something, and as long as they feel their friendship and continued support of them will make sure they do not come after them (even though this is not true). Then when someone else's bully gets in there, they bleach and complain about it, and just wait with crazy attention the chance and the time for THEIR bully to get back in power. Then when they do, everything is all good and fine to them again.
This is statism 101.
Most politicians, cops, bureaucrats, anybody with any real BS "authority" were losers in high school and they wanted to control and bully other people, and the government and "authority" was the way to do that, or they were ACTUAL bullies in high school, and just continued on in life. Busy Bodies as well, many of them, love telling and forcing others to do what they want.
Also, its ALL about control. Not just the politicians, but their true believers and minions as well. This is all statism 101. They get drunk on the power, the authority, the control.
Knowing you can have someone killed with the snap of a finger, knowing you can throw someone into prison with the snap of a finger. Send your bureaucracy at them, and the laws are so plentiful, YOU KNOW they will find something to charge them with.
Tyranny folks, that's what we're dealing with here.