[68908]

Also, when it's American made that means that the cost of the item STAYS here to be circulated back into OUR economy.

Not always think

 

[68908]

First of all, designer clothes are expensive because designers are full of themselves. Secondly, markets adapt. If the cost saving method of overseas labor is out, then companies will either die off or find another way. And quite frankly a small increase in price isn't a big deal for the sake of American made.

Right I made a post about designer

 

[68908]

I couldn't agree more. Try finding a Japanese vehicle for sale in USA that was actually manufactured in Japan. Yes, there are a couple, but very few. Even production costs in China are getting to the point that it's as expensive to produce there as it is here.

Some of the cheapest cars available to Americans are built here in Georgia...and Tennessee and Texas. Why? The unions aren't in control...plain and simple.

And this applies to about 98% of ANY "newz" articles that are posted today. Most are full of spurious facts/numbers and are reported in a way to advance THEIR agenda. What's worse is when you read something that you think might be "BS", it can be very difficult to find the ACTUAL information.

As an example: I saw a shared article not too long ago with the headline "ALL OF MCDONALD'S IN USA GOING TO KIOSK ORDERING". So, I read the article. Long story short, it attributed this to the min wage "war". It asserted that McD's had made an announcement that in light of high costs of labor, all of the restaurants in the US would be going to automated ordering. The article left you thinking that it was going to happen YESTERDAY. A Google search turned up several more stories along the same lines. It wasn't until I read the ACTUAL press release on the McD's corporate website did the ACTUAL story become clear. Basically, as stores are updated and renovated, they will also include automated ordering kiosks as well as a myriad of other technological advances. Nothing about cutting down on labor costs and no timeline (except "over the next several years")...just the FACTS. But hey...just the FACTS does a terrible job of generating click-bait articles.

Built is different than components. Where are the components made? Where is the car "built?"

He didn't mention cars in his article. Because of their shipping costs and weight. Makes sense to put together foreign components into a car here in America. Shipping costs.

 

[68908]

Precisely. Some of which have been documented in this thread already and others haven't but the Globalists will not stop misrepresenting and downright lying about how things work. My favorite was yesterday with some pundit saying that a reduction in taxes like Trump has proposed was a) unprecedented and b) would lead to "$10 Trillion more in national debt". If you are old enough to remember Reagan's first term you, like I, knew immediately that he is a liar. Same on the cost of things.

Sorry, economics does not lie, it just documents the facts of people trading value for value. Free markets do not lie. We do not have a free market, though. Governmemt force creates market distortions. Changes the natural order of people trading value for value.

 

[FrontSight]

I don't know the brands so I don't know the quality, but sometimes quality and how long It will last has a big impact on price as well as supply and demand. Price isn't a one step idea. It can be more complex than that. Most goods of similar supply and demand and quality will go up when made here, labor cost, regulations, taxes.

This is also just my opinion, but the more luxury you get and further away from a base model of a good shoe, or other item, I feel as the price gets really high, you get diminishing returns on the quality and usefulness of that product for the amount you paid. This is not always the case, but sometimes that is.

There is also name recognition, and Goodwill, and those things factor in the price as well.

Well I know the quality of Red Wings, as I have been wearing a pair of American made Red Wing steel toes for 6 years every day at work (I work at a desk so they don't get a lot of wear). I spent about $60.00 more for the US made than their Chinese made boots. The difference in form, fit, and function is noticeable.

I told my wife not to buy any more Fruit of the Loom or Hanes t-shirts for me, I'll only wear Gildan. The foreign made F o L and Hanes are thin and too short , they won't stay tucked in and only last thru 52 washings. I am still wearing Gildans that I bought on sale at Gander Mtn 3 years ago. Gildan is located in North Carolina.

 

[FrontSight]

Built is different than components. Where are the components made? Where is the car "built?"

He didn't mention cars in his article. Because of their shipping costs and weight. Makes sense to put together foreign components into a car here in America. Shipping costs.

EJR, there are foreign owned Tier 2 suppliers that manufacture for Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW located all across the South. Toyota has an engine casting plant in Huntsville AL, Air bag expanders are made in LaGrange, GA and Auburn, AL, Koyo has a bearing plant that makes rollers for valve lifters in Cairo, GA, Stanadyne has a plant in Tallahassee FL that makes valve train components.

These auto companies employ "Just in Time" supply chain management that requires their Tier 2 suppliers to be responsive to their needs. True story that I was involved in - Wanna make a slight change to the layout of the lifter roller shipping tube that is placed in the assembly robot? The supplier that is located 200 miles away can do that, but the supplier that has 3,000,000 units steaming across the Pacific can't. Shipping costs are a small fraction of costs but is far outweighed by other factors.

 

[68908]

EJR, there are foreign owned Tier 2 suppliers that manufacture for Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW located all across the South. Toyota has an engine casting plant in Huntsville AL, Air bag expanders are made in LaGrange, GA and Auburn, AL, Koyo has a bearing plant that makes rollers for valve lifters in Cairo, GA, Stanadyne has a plant in Tallahassee FL that makes valve train components.

These auto companies employ "Just in Time" supply chain management that requires their Tier 2 suppliers to be responsive to their needs. True story that I was involved in - Wanna make a slight change to the layout of the lifter roller shipping tube that is placed in the assembly robot? The supplier that is located 200 miles away can do that, but the supplier that has 3,000,000 units steaming across the Pacific can't. Shipping costs are a small fraction of costs but is far outweighed by other factors.

The cost to ship a complete car from China is not nothing.

 

[UtiPossidetis]

EJR, there are foreign owned Tier 2 suppliers that manufacture for Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW located all across the South. Toyota has an engine casting plant in Huntsville AL, Air bag expanders are made in LaGrange, GA and Auburn, AL, Koyo has a bearing plant that makes rollers for valve lifters in Cairo, GA, Stanadyne has a plant in Tallahassee FL that makes valve train components.

These auto companies employ "Just in Time" supply chain management that requires their Tier 2 suppliers to be responsive to their needs. True story that I was involved in - Wanna make a slight change to the layout of the lifter roller shipping tube that is placed in the assembly robot? The supplier that is located 200 miles away can do that, but the supplier that has 3,000,000 units steaming across the Pacific can't. Shipping costs are a small fraction of costs but is far outweighed by other factors.

Logic and facts? Seriously, you think they'll have any impact?

 

[Adam5]

Shipping cost due to weight of products, we are seeing this a lot. Heavy, made in US, or closer, like Mexico. Does that help?

Shipping a container ship full of cars is no different than a container of oil filters, pens, cloth, etc.

 

[FrontSight]

Logic and facts? Seriously, you think they'll have any impact?

Not really, but here are some more facts for the OP.

http://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/new-car-delivery-or-destination-charges-explained-213280

Freight, delivery or destination charges ensure that the buyer pays equally to cover the cost of delivering a vehicle to a dealership, regardless of whether the dealership is nearby or far away from the vehicle assembly plant. For example, a Kia Optima buyer in Seattle is not required to pay more for the vehicle than a buyer in Atlanta, who's thousands of miles closer to the West Point, Ga. plant where the Optima is built.

Instead, Kia passes the cost on to buyers with a delivery charge of $800, regardless of where the seller is located. The fee is not included in the MSRP. Instead, it's typically listed as one of the last items on the window sticker, right above the total price.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/foreign-cars-made-in-america-where-does-the-money-go.html

Foreign Carmakers Buy American
Foreign automobile makers with U.S. manufacturing operations also buy a lot of their parts and components here, to say nothing of their supplies and office and manufacturing equipment.

It makes sense to do so, they say, because shipping costs, taxes and duties often make it more expensive to ship parts and supplies from the home country than to source them here, where the plants and office facilities are located.

Take Toyota and Honda as the examples again: The two companies reported that in 2014, they collectively spent $68.5 billion in the U.S. on parts, equipment and supplies. Honda had the larger share at $35.6 billion, with Toyota reporting $32.9 billion in purchases.

While some of the suppliers are U.S. arms of overseas companies and sent some of that $68.5 billion home as profit, most of the money remained in circulation in the form of things like wages, raw materials purchases by the suppliers, domestic transportation costs and even the U.S. taxes those suppliers paid, the companies said. Those suppliers include advertising firms and market researchers.

 

[68908]

Logic and facts? Seriously, you think they'll have any impact?

Article said no mention of cars, don't be a :3hat:

 

[68908]

Shipping a container ship full of cars is no different than a container of oil filters, pens, cloth, etc.

They are certainly larger and heavier per foot than alot of other things. There is also a lot of just dead space in a car too.

Dead space plus high weight equals closer to home.

Not that hard to understand.

 

[68908]

Tariffs make prices higher for us, and making the cars here because of tariffs, once again, make the price more too.

That's the only reason shipping matters.

 

[UtiPossidetis]

Not really, but here are some more facts for the OP.

http://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/new-car-delivery-or-destination-charges-explained-213280

https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/foreign-cars-made-in-america-where-does-the-money-go.html

Good to hear, at least you're in touch with reality.

 

[FrontSight]

Along the topic of made in USA,

I recently bought a Stormy Kromer Waxed Cotton Cap for $44.95, it was made in Ironwood, MI. Seems like a lot right? Not so fast, how about a lifetime warranty including normal wear and tear, or the no charge insurance against loss, yes, they will supply a new cap if you lose yours. And wouldn't you know it, a 7-3/4" size is truly 7-3/4", no foreign made fitted hat has ever felt like it fit my big head correctly until I bought this American made hat.

USA!!!

 

[phaed]

"made in the USA" is now synonymous with being overpriced and crappy. thanks government.

 

[68908]

Good to hear, at least you're in touch with reality.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

 

[68908]

"made in the USA" is now synonymous with being overpriced and crappy. thanks government.

But it will be so much better and such a lower price, cuz dey told me dat at GPDO. :rotfl:

 

[68908]

Some things need to be made here, some things need to be made far away from home in some 3rd world crap hole, other things needs to be made closer to home, Mexico.

I'm all in favor of letting the free market decide, not government intervention. LULZ

 

[68908]

People wonder why our economy is so screwed up, it's because of false ideas that are expressed in this thread, but these are large complex ideas that are much better decided by the free market, of free people, freely trading value for value with people without Governmemt force and intervention.

Let the markets decide, not Governmemt intervention and force.