I was looking in a magazine (cant remember which one) and they did testiing on different Judge ammo. There was a load made by Cross Outdoors that was called a .410 bore, but looked like a .45 Colt round only the projectile was sticking out about and inch or so past the brass. The length was on par with a 2Â½" .410 shell. The testing showed the expansion at 1.2", penetrating 16", over 900 ft/sec, and somewhere around 250 grains. Pretty impressive... The problem is that there is no information about it on their web site and google turned up nothing. Where can I get this round at? Any suggestions?