help ASAP

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by jesuslives31548, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. jesuslives31548

    jesuslives31548 New Member

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    I know its been said in Ga you can ship a long gun through UPS from resident to resident. I need this in written proof. THE ups hub here refused to ship my long gun to another resident here in Ga. Short story the lady got mad stated I was breaking the law and was going to call police because I wanted to ship a rifle from there to another resident in Ga. I read all the time people say it's legal. I NEED IT IN WRITTING TO SHOW THIS NUT CASE. UPS website has no clear language that I found. If anyone has a webiste or the actual rule where UPS says they will ship a long gun from resident to resident I NEED IT ASAP to return their with their own rules. My blood is boiling after being threatend of arrest for doing nothing but asking a question. I called their last week the lady I spoke to sayed yes yo can went their today and it was diffrent, Could not remember the first lady I spoke too name. The current counter lady callled someone who varified to her they don't ship long guns from resident to resident or from the UPS to resident. I still can't believe I was asked to leave and she was going to call cops because I asked a simple question. I never said anyhing other then, " I have a long gun rifle I would like to ship to a resident here in Ga. She asked if I was a FFL dealer, I stated no but understood I cold ship it as long as it was a rifle and not a hand gun. SHE REPLIED I WAS DEAD WRONG, HOW DOES SHE KNOW IM NOT SHIPPING A GUN TO SOMEONE TO USE TO KILL SOMEONE???? I ASKED HER TO KINDLY CALL HER SUPERVISIOR SHE STATED SHE DID, AND THEY ADVISED SAME THING. I ASKED HER IF THEIR WAS ANYWAY SHE COULD CHECK THEIR RULE BOOK OR IF I COULD SPEAK TO SOMEONE ELSE. SHE STATED I WAS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK THE LAW AND STATED SHE WOULD CALL THE POLICE IF I WOULD NOT LEAVE !!!!!! To top it off I just got off work, wearing a Fire Rescue uniform, Id tag, badge etc. I assume I did not look like a thug. IM REALLLY PISSSED ABOUT THIS. Her last statment was have you not seen all the kiiling on the news? I asked her what this had to do with my question? She then stated she was done with it end of stroy and asked me to leave !!!!!!!!! HELP
     

  2. Puffyfish

    Puffyfish New Member

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    Seems a libtard is forcing her own agenda. Smack her down with truth.
     
  3. tmoore912

    tmoore912 Just a Man

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    Quote:

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicen ... te-firearm


    1. ATF Home
    2. Firearms
    3. Frequently Asked Questions
    4. Unlicensed Persons

    Unlicensed Persons Questions

    1. To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?
    2. From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
    3. May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State?
    4. May an unlicensed person obtain ammunition from an out-of-State source?
    5. Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition?
    6. Do law enforcement officers who are subject to restraining orders and who receive and possess firearms for purposes of carrying out their official duties violate the law?
    7. May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
    8. May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
    9. May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?
    10. May a person who is relocating out of State move firearms with other household goods?
    11. What constitutes residency in a State?
    12. May a person (who is not an alien) who resides in one State and owns property in another State purchase a handgun in either State?
    13. May aliens legally in the United States buy firearms?
    14. May a parent or guardian purchase firearms or ammunition as a gift for a juvenile (less than 18 years of age)?
    15. Are curio or relic firearms exempt from the provisions of the GCA?
    16. What record-keeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction?
    17. How do I obtain a classification from ATF for my “potato gun?â€

    Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

    A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
    Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?

    A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
    Q: May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State?

    A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]
    Q: May an unlicensed person obtain ammunition from an out-of-State source?

    Yes, provided he or she is not a person prohibited from possessing or receiving ammunition.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n)]
    Q: Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition?

    Yes, a person who —

    1. Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
    2. Is a fugitive from justice;
    3. Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
    4. Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
    5. Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
    6. Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
    7. Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;
    8. Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
    9. Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
    10. Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.

    A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm.

    Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32]
    Q: Do law enforcement officers who are subject to restraining orders and who receive and possess firearms for purposes of carrying out their official duties violate the law?

    Not if the firearms are received and possessed for official use only.

    The law prohibits persons subject to certain restraining orders from receiving, shipping, transporting or possessing firearms or ammunition. To be disabling, the restraining order must:

    1. specifically restrain the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an “intimate partner†of the person (e.g., spouse);
    2. be issued after a hearing of which notice was given to the person and at which the person had an opportunity to participate; and
    3. include a finding that the person subject to the order represents a credible threat to the “intimate partner†or child of the “intimate partner†OR explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of force against the partner.

    However, the GCA has an exception for the receipt and possession of firearms and ammunition on behalf of a Federal or State agency. Therefore, the GCA does not prohibit a law enforcement officer under a restraining order from receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition for use in performing official duties. Possession of the firearm for official purposes while off duty would be lawful if such possession is required or authorized by law or by official departmental policy. An officer subject to a disabling restraining order would violate the law if the officer received or possessed a firearm or ammunition for other than official use. (See question on officers’ receipt and possession of firearms and ammunition after a conviction of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. The government exception does not apply to such convictions.)

    [18 U.S.C. 921(a)(32), 922(g)(8) and 925(a)(1)]
    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

    A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

    [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

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    Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
     
  4. suttree

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    Not sure how far the drive would be but maybe you could take your business to another UPS store and let the manager of the crazy store know you did so and why.
     
  5. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Dcannon's link to the UPS national website and their rules for shipping guns says:

    "Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms

    ...UPS accepts packages containing firearms, .... from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law
    ... when such shipment complies with all applicable federal, state and local laws...

    OKAY, so then you can challenge THEM to find where there is a law against one Georgia resident shipping a gun to another Georgia resident? This is not an interstate transfer, and you're not in the business of selling firearms, so BATFE won't have any problems with it.

    There are no state laws forbidding it (well, except the part about introducing a firearm into a "transportation terminal" under 16-12-127... but nobody cares about that technicality). And there cannot be any city, county, or other local laws against it because of state preemption of gun control.
     
  6. XD9SC

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    +1 to gunsmoker

    If one says something is illegal, ask for the statute. If one does not know what statute, how does one know it is illegal.

    The concept that just because there is not a statute that says it is LEGAL doesn't mean it is ILLEGAL, I think at times is hard for people to understand that.
     
  7. jesuslives31548

    jesuslives31548 New Member

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    I was at the main UPS SHIPPING HUB. The local mailbox UPS drop stores here where no help and sent me their, 35 miles away...
     
  8. jesuslives31548

    jesuslives31548 New Member

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    called back read info to lady, she stated I was wrong, asked to speak to her supervisor he gave me a 1800 ups number to call, guy I spoke to when I got through could not speak english, stated UPS DOES NOT SHIP resident to resident only by FFL. Asked to speak to his supervisor, he stated he was and stated I can send in a written complaint if I wanted to. Guy could not get english words right...... WOW what a day...... I'm glad my CCWP was easy to get, geez
     
  9. jesuslives31548

    jesuslives31548 New Member

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    what a crazy day !!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. Nullifier

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    THis. Stop wasting your time arguing with an idiot. Let her wallow in her own ignorance and go somewhere else. You're in Camden County? Drive a few miles up to Brunswick or down to Jacksonville. There's a UPS center by the airport on the north side of town.

    ETA: wait, only take half of that advice. If you ship from Jacksonville you're in Florida so now it becomes an interstate transfer and gets more complicated. Go to Brunswick instead. Surely with all the federal law enforcement around that training academy, the UPS has dealt with this issue many times before and knows the drill.
     
  11. Bobo

    Bobo New Member

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    UPS is crazy. Hope you to talk to a better person tomorrow.

    I shipped a bike and it was insane. Tried to overcharge me, lost it, couldn't find it after 15 days, said I would get a check, check didnt come, but the lost bike did. What a nightmare.

    I got 4 different answers from 4 different people. They didn't even know the package was found when it was sitting on my doorstep. Stupid stupid. I have been trying to avoid UPS.
     
  12. jesuslives31548

    jesuslives31548 New Member

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    I was in Brunswick at the UPS SHIPPING HUB !!!!
     
  13. mathar1

    mathar1 New Member

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    Just ship it USPS. Screw UPS and ship it through the mail which you CAN do with a long gun. THEN call the UPS 800 number and report the employee and her supervisor for her lack of knowledge and verbal abuse.
     
  14. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    Are you really serious? :roll:
     
  15. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    Why don't you just ship it FedEx? Or did you want the box to get beaten to crap before it arrived?