[Malum Prohibitum]

It is rewriting. Saul Cornell is an anti gun historian who is funded by big money groups like the Joyce Foundation to write anti gun research.

We do not have to guess. The quote in post #2392 is from a letter Jefferson wrote. The entire letter is available to read. The context of the quote is in the letter. Jefferson was not encouraging the boy to carry a gun as protection from either criminals or slaves. It was nothing of the sort. Rather, he was encouraging him to carry it and use it for sport, and was criticizing the sport and games engaged in by other boys his age. Jefferson thought carrying a gun would develop the boy's character.

Read it.

 

[Taurus92]

Gov. Deal recommends increased and enhanced penalties as a solution.

I'm not sure how "enhanced" would work for death penalty cases. :-k ... Execute the person twice? Torture them before execution? Execute family members too? How and what exactly? What will deter someone who just doesn't care?

That was directed at us, not the criminal.

 

[Gunstar1]

We do not have to guess. The quote in post #2392 is from a letter Jefferson wrote. The entire letter is available to read. The context of the quote is in the letter. Jefferson was not encouraging the boy to carry a gun as protection from either criminals or slaves. It was nothing of the sort. Rather, he was encouraging him to carry it and use it for sport, and was criticizing the sport and games engaged in by other boys his age. Jefferson thought carrying a gun would develop the boy's character.

Read it.

Exactly my point. Cornell is either misleading or wrong in nearly everything he says about the 2nd amendment and carrying.

In other words, if Cornell is quoted, doubt what is said until you read it for yourself.

 

[Taurus92]

It's interesting how CNN refers to Cornell as some historical scholar. They keep referring to scholars (plural), but only quoting Cornell.

 

[Taurus92]

We do not have to guess. The quote in post #2392 is from a letter Jefferson wrote. The entire letter is available to read. The context of the quote is in the letter. Jefferson was not encouraging the boy to carry a gun as protection from either criminals or slaves. It was nothing of the sort. Rather, he was encouraging him to carry it and use it for sport, and was criticizing the sport and games engaged in by other boys his age. Jefferson thought carrying a gun would develop the boy's character.

Read it.

https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/firearms#footnote1_9xonazs

In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote to his fifteen-year-old nephew, Peter Carr, regarding what he considered the best form of exercise: "...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."1

bold mine.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

For anybody wanting to read the entire letter:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/let31.asp

 

[mountainpass]

Still no raw numbers. It's interesting to note they posted this poll on the 6th with raw numbers from same pollster:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/poll-georgians-largely-undecided-about-presidential-race/265867522

This is the only written source, but no link to the raw data of poll: http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/0...isits-to-the-capitol-require-a-police-escort/

A Channel 2 Action News/Landmark Communications/Rosetta Stone poll shows that roughly half of 570 voters polled agree with Gov. Nathan Deal’s decision last week to veto a bill that would permit those with permits to carry concealed weaponry on Georgia’s public university campuses.

Thirty-one percent disagreed with the veto, with 19 percent undecided/no opinion, according to last night’s report by Lori Geary.

By party breakdown, the governor has only 40 percent of fellow Republicans on his side, but nearly 60 percent of Democrats. Fifty-four percent of independents favored the veto.

 

[Gunstar1]

This is the only written source, but no link to the raw data of poll: http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/0...isits-to-the-capitol-require-a-police-escort/

What I want to know what exactly was the question that was asked?

What questions were asked just before it as well.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

The television link reported that only 25% of women disagreed with the veto. Does that mean 75% of women approved? Does anybody else find this seriously disturbing?

 

[Taurus92]

I would have hoped the increase in the number of women getting licenses would have brought that number up as they wake up to the fact they're not criminals just for wanting to protect themselves no matter where they walk. Maybe it did, but women typically poll much more heavily toward Democrat. 75-25 is pretty heavy

 

[Mrs_Esterhouse]

The television link reported that only 25% of women disagreed with the veto. Does that mean 75% of women approved? Does anybody else find this seriously disturbing?

Women mostly hate guns. Is that sexist if it's true?

 

[RedDawnTheMusical]

Women mostly hate guns. Is that sexist if it's true?

I think that is a combination of genetic nature and environmental conditioning. However, particularly in single-mom homes, I think that the message of the value of a firearm for self-protection is getting through. Gun ownership continues to rise as the media makes everyday look like it is the apocalypse and people realize that they will need to be able to defend themselves (man or woman). I think more and more woman are also realizing that the firearm is a great force-equalizer against a stronger attacker.

 

[mountainpass]

 

[mountainpass]

25% of females were undecided or could care less, 26% of African Americans.

 

[mountainpass]

http://news.wabe.org/post/georgia-l...ional-transit-vetoed-bills?platform=hootsuite

Third "listen" link about 30 seconds in.

I hope a "narrower" bill never sees light of day.

 

[Taurus92]

Interesting. Faculty wanting to be armed going to their cars at night? Are there silent supporters afraid of repercussions from the BOR?

He knows the points. I'm surprised he brought up so many.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Interesting. Faculty wanting to be armed going to their cars at night? Are there silent supporters afraid of repercussions from the BOR?

No, they just need lights for all the signs. If the signs are lit at night then they'll work just like they do in the daytime.

Remember to put that in the report to the Gov.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Taurus92]

No, they just need lights for all the signs. If the signs are lit at night then they'll work just like they do in the daytime.

Remember to put that in the report to the Gov.

[/sarcasm]

What an excellent point. I wonder why the Governor didn't point that out when he brought up disarming the parents going to and from the daycare?

 

[mountainpass]

http://insideradvantage.com/2016/05...-find-version-of-campus-carry-deal-will-sign/

Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said Monday lawmakers next session must come up with a version of the campus-carry bill acceptable to Gov. Nathan Deal.

"At this point, I think it would be incumbent upon the legislature to come back in January and see if there is a path forward that meets the governor's expectations and the legislature's as well," Cagle said.

 

[Rugerer]

http://insideradvantage.com/2016/05...-find-version-of-campus-carry-deal-will-sign/

the governor’s expectations

Which governor? The one who said "to use those kind of arguments with the campus carry discussion, I think lacks validity" or the other one.