Hawaii residents pushing for 2A rights

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by vooduchikn, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. vooduchikn

    vooduchikn New Member

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    Gentlemen/women/2a supporters and fellow shooters,

    I realize this post might be off cue for this board. I will be in Georgia next year and cannot wait, but as I am active duty Military stationed in Hawaii (and have been for way too long) and being from a CCW/OC pro family that covers Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, and various other like minded states , I would like to bring our plight to your attention, ask for your support, and mainly your sound advice. If you have looked at reciprocity map lately, you will notice Hawaii is not onboard.

    We have been actively pursuing a CCW law here that makes sense for some time. Hawaii is a "shall issue" state by charter, yet citizens cannot get a permit here because the Chief of Police has sole approval on all applications and he approves none. By our count the number of applications approved (which seems to be state secrets at times) has been ~3 in 15 years. We have doubled the disapproved applications by that number in only 3 weeks. Due to the application process and at the discouragement of the Firearms Registration staff, the process has been made difficult at best. They seem willing to comply with the process, but often mention it is a waste of our time and money.

    The gun laws here are so restrictive that the average gun buyer has to make a minimal of two trips (weekdays only) to the police station to buy a handgun and must register all firearms. You actually have to pay for the firearm before you even register it!

    We are limited to 10 round magazines for pistols and can only transport our weapons to approved locations (technically, I can't even pick up my buddies at their home to go shooting at our only state run gun range if I have a firearm legally stored in the car). NFA weapons and class 3 are prohibited. You can only obtain an FFL if you operate from a storefront here. This law was changed within the last 10 years, pf which appears to be for the sole purpose of prohibiting the average person from obtaining an FFL. Business zoned property prices in Hawaii prohibit the average citizen from accomplishing this feat just by sheer price alone. I pay $2870 for my rent for a 3 bedroom house in robbery ridden neighborhood....imagine property prices zoned as business. By my recent count there are less than 10 FFLs listed (only 4 answer phone or email, all of them are grandfathered under the law) here for a fluctuating population of close to 950,000. I suspect the census is incorrect and the number of legal citizens is much higher.

    The proof is out that the registration process is ineffective and a waste of taxpayer dollars. I had a friend that had guns stolen in the mainland and looked to the Honolulu Firearms Registration Unit for help in obtaining the serial numbers as his paperwork was still in shipment and they could not find his paperwork. Both firearms had been registered in the last 2 years. I use a Wyoming Hunters safety course that I took in 1987 to buy my guns here....I was barely 11 years old, but it is still valid for the purchase of all firearms in the state. The rest of the population has to take a firearms familiarization class that is overbooked or a hunters safety course...also overbooked and usually standing room only.

    We recently founded hawaiiccw.com and we are gaining support at a rapid pace and strongly desire to be one of the states on the list that issues permits and reciprocity.

    Supporting groups recently were able to convince the state that the Castle Doctrine makes sense and that the "must retreat" policy is invalid. We were also able to convince the Governor that the confiscation of firearms during a state emergency were a bad idea. We are making ground, but it is slow.

    We ask for your support and your ideas. Take a look at:

    http://hawaiiccw.com/
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    http://2ahawaii.com/

    We are also on facebook (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 431&v=wall)

    Thanks in advance brothers and sisters...help us out, and God Bless the United States of America!

    Look to see you at OC/CCW events in December of next year! I will be the guy OCing a 1911 Colt Commander and the black "Come and Take It" hat.

    Your friend in the ongoing battle; we need support, awareness, and your voice. If you ever want to come here to visit, do you really want to leave your guns, personal protection and you rights in the hands of this state? We dont!

    LT Chuck Caldwell
    Honolulu, HI
     
  2. CoffeeMate

    CoffeeMate Junior Butt Warmer

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    Sounds like a ready-made lawsuit right there... Someone applies, gets denied, takes him to court.
     

  3. CoffeeMate

    CoffeeMate Junior Butt Warmer

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    Case in point right there for Georgia not needing a "training requirement".
     
  4. CoffeeMate

    CoffeeMate Junior Butt Warmer

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    Does Hawaii has State-wide pre-emption?
     
  5. Hock25

    Hock25 New Member

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    I wish you luck. You may have to sue somebody, since the administration's staff is telling you upfront you're wasting your time and money, to only be mired in beaurocracy. You also have a changing landscape of cultures to deal with, Japanese, Samoan, military and tourists. To understand how the culture aspect will affect your 2A efforts in Hawaii, you only need to monitor San Francisco's perpetual efforts to control and pacify.

    I'm not so sure seeking CCW is the best route. You may want to consider constitutional carry, as an end run to their beaurocracy. A beaurocrat seeks to control and manipulate through rules and standards only they know, spur of the moment. It's a psychological condition that becomes a regulatory condition, or merely just a management style, if you're lucky. End run all that garbage, if you can.

    Your group's website, which I've not looked at, is already defeatist by the mere inclusion of "CCW." I'm not saying being able to CC isn't a laudible goal, I'm saying that aiming low isn't a laudible goal.
     
  6. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Get an applicant in there wired for audio to get their statements recorded. Unless, of course, that would violate Hawaii law. :roll:

    Then sue, baby, sue! :D
     
  7. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    yes.

    Kicker with the CCW in Hawaii is you are required to show a "need". Once you show a need then it is "shall issue". Then it os only good for the county (island) you are on. And the Chief doesn't issue them out at all. Just to buy you have to take a safety class, not only are the a huge expense they are near impossible to find. And they have been sued, many times, and it's always in favor of the State. Hawaii is ultra-Liberal. Worse than California. Just never hear about it cause it's way off in the ocean and is seen as a vacation state.
     
  8. fmlaw1

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    Best of luck fighting the good fight Chuck. I know nothing of your state, but it sounds like your group will have to detrmine which case and when to get it into court, under what conditions. The government will only change SOP when it is forced to.

    Stay on here, and try to get on other like-minded sites for ideas and encouragement.

    Use your resources wisely, including money and people. Don't burn out. You have a marathon, not a sprint, in front of you.
     
  9. smn

    smn Active Member

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    Contact the SAF, as they've got a similar lawsuit going in NY or MD. Having opinions in separate circuits would help push the issue up to the federal level. You have the rights. Now sue the state to exercise them.
     
  10. CoffeeMate

    CoffeeMate Junior Butt Warmer

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    It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of "Show Need", (being alive is a presumption of need in my book). I wonder if the recent SCOTUS rulings will help?
     
  11. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    yea I know. Just passing along what I know. They also require registry there. All guns must be registered within 72 hours of arrival on the Island.
     
  12. {TEX}Hawaii((

    {TEX}Hawaii(( New Member

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    Hawaii's gun laws are one of the reasons why I will not go back.
     
  13. vooduchikn

    vooduchikn New Member

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    I hear you. Sad to leave paradise. This place is truly beautiful, but I have to leave. I just cannot deal with the firearm restrictions anymore.

    GA bound.