Gun-toting citizen foils robbery, leads APD to arrest

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  1. USMC - Retired

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    September 14, 2006
    http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5409861

    Albany -- A bystander broke up a Northwest Albany armed robbery he witnessed by firing two gunshots in the air. He then followed the armed robbers as they fled, and alerted police who arrested the three gunmen.

    Now, the man who stopped the robbers and their victims are too scared to talk to us on camera, afraid the young crooks will come after them.

    Just before 11:00 Wednesday night two gunmen jumped a man and a woman in the back parking lot as they left Mama Gina's Restaurant on North Slappey.

    The male victim, Michael, is afraid to show his face on camera, worried the robbers will come after him again. "He had a red bandana on, waving a gun all around, threatened to shoot us if we didn't give them the money."

    Marcus saw the robbery happening, and decided to help. He is too afraid to give his name or talk to us, but when he saw the robber's guns, he went to get his. Mama Gina's owner Vinny Mannino said, "The guy go in his car and get his gun. He shoot one shot in the air to scare the guys, they run away. He shot another shot in the air to make them stop, but they keep running."

    The two robbers jumped into a car and fled down Tenth Avenue. Marcus followed in his car, letting police know what was going on. Mannino said "He call 911, from the car. He was communicating with 911."

    The robbers threw their guns and the victim's wallet and purse out the window as they drove North on Slappey, and then onto the bypass, where Police stopped them.

    Charged with armed robbery are 19-year-old Dejean Thomas and two 16-year-old juveniles.

    Marcus told us that he just wanted to help, that's why he rushed the armed robbers. Mannino said, "I think we need more people like him, help each other."

    Michael said there is no doubt Marcus is a hero. "He's a pretty good guy. It's great somebody around here wants to help, and get involved."

    But Marcus and Michael admit they are both still scared, worried that the robbers or their friends will seek revenge. Marcus said the Police took his .357 Magnum as evidence after the robbery, but they assured him he would get it back soon.
     
  2. USMC - Retired

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    I have a call in to the Albany PD investigations division to see if this guy was a GFL holder. I don't agree with the "warning shots" into the air, too much risk of those shots coming down somewhere they shouldn't. Plus he wasted two rounds that he may have needed if it turned into a shoot out. I belive his best course of action would have been to draw down on the perps and order them to drop thier weapon and hit the dirt. Being prepared to put a few into the perp with the gun if he did anything stupid.
     

  3. Malum Prohibitum

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    No need for a GFL to have a gun in the car.
     
  4. Mojoski

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    While I agree 100% with that fact that you should never fire into the air, I'm guessing he was a bit worried about drawing down on 3 guys at once. If he ordered them to stop and drop their weapons, there is a reasonable chance at least one of them could have gotten off a few shots at him before he could have shot them all.

    Of course the same thing could have easily happened when he started firing warning shots as well.

    What do you guys think? Should he have just started shooting the perps with no warning shots? Should he have placed his warning shots into the pavement instead, risking a bounced round that could have hit himself or someone else?

    I'm just thankful everyone was OK and the perps were busted.
     
  5. USMC - Retired

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    No need for a GFL to have a gun in the car.[/quote:1w7a74wp]

    Agreed, I simply would like to see if he is a GFL holder to use as an example of a GFL holder preventing crime.
     
  6. USMC - Retired

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    When I took my concealed carry course in North Carolina they advised against "warning shots" and said the only time you should pull the trigger is when your putting one into the BG to prevent them from harming you or others. That being said, I would still not waste two shots out of a revolver when facing three perps. At best that leaves you four rounds, if he keeps his hammer on an empty chamber it leaves three.
     
  7. mzmtg

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    Without being there, I can't comment on what he "should have" done at the time.

    I don't think firing any kind of warning shot was a good idea, but it worked, so "no harm, no foul."

    Since others were being directly threatened with deadly force, he would have been justified (morally, and I would hope legally) in shooting the perp(s) right away.
     
  8. Malum Prohibitum

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    It seems perhaps appropriate to provide one warning shot to each perpetrator that is actually holding a firearm or other weapon, loosely aiming for the center of mass.

    :shoot:
     
  9. Malum Prohibitum

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    After all, what better warning is there to serve upon a felon that a 230 grain round expanding to .93 inches while passing through the ribcage?
     
  10. mzmtg

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    ::warning - if you don't stop, I'll shoot you again::
     
  11. USMC - Retired

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    I have actually been a bit shocked by the press coverage of this case. After all the victim and the perp are of different races but no one has yelled "hate crime" yet... :lol:
     
  12. ls1ssdavid

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    That's why you practice mulitiple target engagment.
     
  13. RedBeard

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    Yeah, right.