Great Time to Experiment in Philly

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Nemo, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    with gunshot victims. Don't treat them in the ambulance.

    Nemo

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/...cting-experiment-to-save-gunshot-victims.html

     
  2. a_springfield

    a_springfield Well-Known Member

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    So they will be fancy taxis
     

  3. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    It's long been the case in Philly that police on the scene will engage in "scoup and scoot" by taking a seriously wounded gun shot victim to the nearest ER in their patrol car. The difference in survival rates between "professional EMT" transport and these "scoup and scoot" transports is the basis for the current research project. They had about a 15-18% better survival rate even when accounting for time of transport involved according to their research proposal.

    The weirdest government part of this research is that citizens can opt out of this project by filling out a 2 page form and then wearing a bracelet. Seriously, citizens have to opt out and obtain and then wear a government issued bracelet at all times in order to not be put into the lottery if, and when, they are shot or serious stabbed in Philly.
     
  4. MedicOxford

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    True...several studies say that you are far better to be brought by your buddy to the er than by an ambulance....think about it.

    When you call 911, you wait. You wait for PD to clear the scene so ems can enter. EMS then plays for about 10 mins, inserting IVs and such (that you prob don't need) and take you to the hospital not that much faster than you could drive. Many times the families beat us to the hospital...
     
  5. Clark

    Clark Well-Known Member

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    Yea, the opt-out should definitely be flipped and you wear an armband if you want to opt-in, but I otherwise agree with this.
     
  6. RedDawnTheMusical

    RedDawnTheMusical Well-Known Member

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    Now if only our government would stop trying to help people...
     
  7. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    The main hypothesis of the experiment is that the IV fluids actually accelerate loss of critical blood components by raising blood pressure and increasing flow. The lack of IV in the scoup and scoot by police results in a higher concentration of red/platelet/etc. still in the body. Essentially the idea is to restrict flow and get them to a surgeon.
     
  8. MedicOxford

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    Ding ding!