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Did you read the order?

The federal commercial vehicle regulations allow the governor of a state to suspend the regulations on hours of operation during an emergency.

The governor issued the order so as to allow fuel trucks to run around the clock to bring fuel into metro Atlanta because it won't be coming via the pipeline.
 

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I had read it, but after you asked I read it again. It made more sense on the second read.
 

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Did you read the order?

The federal commercial vehicle regulations allow the governor of a state to suspend the regulations on hours of operation during an emergency.

The governor issued the order so as to allow fuel trucks to run around the clock to bring fuel into metro Atlanta because it won't be coming via the pipeline.
Wow, good call, I wonder why there is a regulation saying fuel trucks can't travel whenever they need to?
 

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The federal government doesn't think that adults with the CDL are competent and responsible enough to get sleep so it mandates how much sleep people have, and it forces them to either keep a paper log book or an electronic record showing your sleeping time they're driving time and their other "doing stuff that doesn't count is sleeping or driving" time.

Real big brother nanny state stuff. But remember it's not a criminal law. It's for Public Safety.
That makes it OK --no privacy violation , and no fourth amendment issues.
 

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The federal government doesn't think that adults with the CDL are competent and responsible enough to get sleep so it mandates how much sleep people have, and it forces them to either keep a paper log book or an electronic record showing
- your sleeping time
-- driving time and
---other "doing stuff that doesn't count as sleeping or driving" time.

Real big brother nanny state stuff. But remember it's not a criminal law. It's for Public Safety.
That makes it OK --no privacy violation , and no fourth amendment issues.
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The federal government doesn't think that adults with the CDL are competent and responsible enough to get sleep so it mandates how much sleep people have, and it forces them to either keep a paper log book or an electronic record showing your sleeping time they're driving time and their other "doing stuff that doesn't count is sleeping or driving" time.

Real big brother nanny state stuff. But remember it's not a criminal law. It's for Public Safety.
That makes it OK --no privacy violation , and no fourth amendment issues.
That's interesting.
 

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Do you really want the tanker with 9,000 gallons of gasoline next to you on the highway being operated by someone who hasn't slept for 24 hours? Should the Pilot of a 747 be able to fly as many hours as he can take without resting? How about the railroad engineer pushing a million or so gallons of hazardous chemicals? The same principle applies.

Most truck drivers are paid by the mile and only the mile. No overtime, no wait time, no load/unload time, no yard time. If the truck isn't rolling, you aren't earning. This can and does result in drivers pushing themselves to the ragged edge and beyond - sometimes with tragic consequences such as the May 2015 crash in Savannah that claimed five lives or the, more publicized, Tracy Morgan crash in NJ.

Hours of service and other commercial vehicle regulations are there for safety of drivers and the public. Whether you believe it or not, rules, regulations and laws do not exist solely to enrich the government.

Yes, I drive a truck.
 

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gunsmoker said:
But remember it's not a criminal law. It's for Public Safety.
janedoedad said:
Hours of service and other commercial vehicle regulations are there for safety of drivers and the public.
And we're getting rid of all that public safety now that we're under public stress?

If it's there to keep us and the roadways safe from 9,000 gallon gas trucks sleepily careening out of control, then why are we getting rid of it now when we really need lots of gas trucks to NOT sleepily careen out of control?
 

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Brace yourselves, people complaining about price gouging are coming...
 

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I have an old friend who has driven semis almost since graduating high school. She'll tell you the same thing. She used to tell me stories of how truckers would push themselves. There is a good reason for the listed regs.

Do you really want the tanker with 9,000 gallons of gasoline next to you on the highway being operated by someone who hasn't slept for 24 hours? Should the Pilot of a 747 be able to fly as many hours as he can take without resting? How about the railroad engineer pushing a million or so gallons of hazardous chemicals? The same principle applies.

Most truck drivers are paid by the mile and only the mile. No overtime, no wait time, no load/unload time, no yard time. If the truck isn't rolling, you aren't earning. This can and does result in drivers pushing themselves to the ragged edge and beyond - sometimes with tragic consequences such as the May 2015 crash in Savannah that claimed five lives or the, more publicized, Tracy Morgan crash in NJ.

Hours of service and other commercial vehicle regulations are there for safety of drivers and the public. Whether you believe it or not, rules, regulations and laws do not exist solely to enrich the government.

Yes, I drive a truck.
 

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Ken1961 said:
I have an old friend who has driven semis almost since graduating high school. She'll tell you the same thing. She used to tell me stories of how truckers would push themselves. There is a good reason for the listed regs.
Which reinforces my point that we need them in place now more than ever.

I mean, seriously... What sort of "public safety" is it if it's ABANDONED during difficult times?

M'uh regs.
 

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Regular is up 20 cents overnight at my corner RaceTrac. Hopefully this is just a blip.
 

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Would you prefer that these trucks stop 30 minutes away from their destination and forced to wait 10 or 34 hours to offload that fuel?

Suspension of a regulation to fill an emergency need is not the same as allowing wholesale abuse. Kind of like pulling a double shift - safe and acceptable once in a while, unsafe if it happens every day.

But hey, who cares as long as you get to jump on someone else's statement.
 

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Regular is up 20 cents overnight at my corner RaceTrac. Hopefully this is just a blip.
Free market and I think it's great. I gassed up like normal today and noticed that the only gas available at my local QT was premium. Not a big deal, that's what I fill up with anyway. BUT....I did notice that it was much busier than normal for the time of day. I imagine fears of 2008 are in people's minds, so they are going to fill up even if they DON'T REALLY NEED IT. But, in their minds, they have to take kids to soccer, swimming, the store, football, and 4 other errands all the while driving the big ass SUV that gets 14 MPG. SO...there is a way to make sure the supply lasts...you bump up the price. If it went to $5 a gallon, people would then evaluate if they REALLY need the gas today or if they can wait a few days when they get the pipeline back to full operation. It's the way it should be.
 

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The "safety" regulations on hours of service were written in the 1920s. They haven't been rewritten since then because they benefit the larger trucking companies and put the smaller, independent companies at a disadvantage. They specifically make it impossible for an independent Husband-and-Wife team from competing coast-to-coast with a major political contributor. We have learned a lot about human sleep needs (cycles vs. hours) but we can't listen to science when money is involved.

The part the news-repeaters missed and is the heart of the emergency order is that the rules on the summer/winter gas mix laws are suspended so ANY fuel in the tank farm can be legally delivered to the consumers. That might buy us an extra day or so.
 

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Wasn't it 2008 when you had to wait a couple of blocks to get gas at any price.
 

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Glad my truck, car, mower, tractor and both kids cars are all diesel. We fill everything out of a diesel tank at the house.

Now if I could just talk the wife into a diesel vehicle.
 
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