GOA hysterics about S. 456

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by Gunstar1, Sep 18, 2007.

  1. Gunstar1

    Gunstar1 Administrator

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    Incase any of you missed a recent GOA letter
    Dang that sounds bad and very underhanded... that is unless you read the actual bill...
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.456:

    Their big todo is about Section 215
    The part they have the trouble with is:
    So it seems that the big deal is what is a gang and gang crimes. GOA says it is your church bowling league. Does the bill define gangs as such? Uh, no.
    What would a church bowling league have to do to warrant each of 5 members of the league at least one year sentence in federal cases or 5 years in a state case?

    If a veteran keeps a firearm while on the mentally disabled VA list, where are the 4 others that would constitute a gang?

    Having a loaded gun in your glovebox as you drive by a school? Maybe if you had 4 other people in the car all with guns as you drove by the school and commit a violent act.

    Selling a firearm in a Bloomberg sting? Sorry, were civil cases filed by NY City. The bill says convicted of a state or federal crime. Criminal case, not civil.

    Teaching your son to shoot? Where are the other 3 people and the violent crime that must be committed?

    So by reading the entire bill, it appears that NONE of the things GOA says the bill could cover, could in any way be covered. GOA is either lying or they don't know that they should read the whole bill before commenting on it.
     
  2. Taler

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    Regardless of Feinsteins's spin, she's a major reason I left Kalifornia. Kill the bill on the principal that Feinstein authored it.
     

  3. ThetaReactor

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    [Pardon me, I'm bitchy in the mornings. Inane ranting deleted. ;)]
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    The issue in GS1's post is the misrepresentation of the GOA. If you have a good argument, make it. But do not hysterically misrepresent the facts. Leave that to the antis.
     
  5. Thorsen

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    I think we can point at misrepresentations committed by all of the large national gun rights organizations. In the end, they need to constantly replenish their war chests to pay for the organizational costs and fight those battles they deem necessary. Just like anti organizations, I don't put it past them to tweak the truth in order to get the rank and file membership motivated to part with their time and, most importantly, money.
     
  6. Gunstar1

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    I have no problem with that stance. I have no problem with someone being against it by saying no misdemeanor crime should remove your ability to own firearms. Even if you just claim the Feds should not interfere with what is mostly a State or even City/County crimes and punishment.

    However, I think making up stuff on why to kill the bill is completely wrong. It is the type of thing Brady, VPC, and others do. Facts and reality should be what the pro-gun groups are pushing.
     
  7. Malum Prohibitum

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    Yeah, well, GCO does that too. You can really carry anywhere you want in Georgia, GCO is just making that stuff up about places off limits. :lol: Oh, and the probate judges issue really quickly, too.
     
  8. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    In the end, those tactics will backfire. This is not the first time GOA has done this.
     
  9. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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  10. GrimJack

    GrimJack Active Member

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    I am not really familiar with the GOA. I generally value the opinions of GCO/GPDO members.... What do you guys think of the GOA? Are there other groups that deserve my membership and support besides GCO. At a federal level I fell compelled to be a supporting member of the NRA (even though they are not perfect). I also joined USCCA but am not sure what they actually do for me other than print a magazine that seems to be focused on advertising training courses. I think it is important now to support organizations that are going to be pro 2A especially if the Hildabeast and more of her socialist buddies get into office.
     
  11. Thorsen

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    I would point you at either the NRA or GOA. I'm a life member of one and have considered joining the other. It is my opinion that to be effective in fighting gun restrictions on the federal level you have to be a part of one of the larger national gun rights groups whether or not you agree with all of their policies. Both of the ones I listed have their downsides, but I believe not participating is akin to not voting at election time.