From the land of socialized medicine (UK)

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by tj2000, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. tj2000

    tj2000 New Member

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    This is what we have to look forward to if Bilary gets in orfice....

    A grandfather died after a blister caused by tight new shoes led to blood poisoning and massive organ failure, according to a story in the Daily Mail.

    Peter Catterall, 60, was given dressings by a district nurse and told the sore on his toe should heal by itself, the report said.

    But just over a week later, the retired electrician suffered two heart attacks.

    Click here to read Daily Mail story.

    He was taken to hospital and diagnosed with blood poisoning, or septicaemia, and died within a month.

    His grieving family said they believed that the father of three would still be alive if the severity of his condition had been spotted sooner by clinic after he sought treatment for a blister caused by a new pair of shoes.

    According to his youngest daughter, Sara, 21, the sore continued to weep, and when she went to see him a week later on July 1 he confessed: "This toe is killing me."

    "There was a hole in his foot. I told him he had to go to the doctor but he said: 'They have discharged me.'"

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  2. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

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    That's sad & a fine example of a bad system but.... don't they have drug stores over there? He couldn't get a bottle of isopropal alcohol & some triple antibiotic ointment? He doesn't keep that stuff on hand for this kind of every day occurence? :roll:
     

  3. gsusnake

    gsusnake Token Liberal Hippie

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    That won't work on a diabetic ulcer. Hyperbaric treatment and IV antibiotics is usually the way to go.
     
  4. merlock

    merlock New Member

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    I think a lot has to do with individual physiology. One person can get shot multiple times and make a fast recovery. Others, like this poor man die from seemingly minor things.
     
  5. Dan4010

    Dan4010 New Member

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    Good ole socialized medicine

    This is why you do not want it... and why the democrates are crazy

    Mr. Bradley : Is the Minister aware of the chronic shortage of hospital beds in Manchester? General practitioners find it increasingly difficult to get their patients into hospital. A local GP in Withington had to ring 999 to get my constituent, who had a suspected heart attack, into hospital, having failed to find a bed at Manchester royal infirmary, Wythenshawe hospital and Withington hospital. In the light of that appalling situation, will the Minister reject proposals to close Withington as a district general hospital with a loss of another 300 beds in Manchester, and undertake a complete review of the real hospital needs of the people of Withington and Manchester?
    Mr. McCartney : The Minister's reply is one of the most complacent I have heard about closures. There are 97,000 people on waiting lists in the north-west, hundreds of beds in Manchester have been taken out of the system, children have been refused access to intensive care units, patients are being bussed as far away as Blackpool, and some patients have died before treatment could be given. When will the Minister make a commitment to meet the Members of Parliament for Greater Manchester about the crisis in health care in the area?
    Ms Morris : Is the Minister aware that the West Midlands regional health authority has just announced plans to close 1,500 beds in the city of Birmingham? Given the massive increase in accident and emergency admissions over the past few months, and the effect of that in terms of patients having to lie for up to 21 hours on trolleys in corridors and the constant and regular cancellation of elective surgery, does the Minister agree that further bed closures will exacerbate the situation? What action will the Minister take to stop the planned bed closures going ahead?
    Waiting Lists
    7. Mr. Hunter : To ask the Secretary of State for Health what has been the change in the number of NHS patients waiting (a) over one year and (b) over two years since March 1991 ; and if she will make a statement.
    Mrs. Virginia Bottomley : The number of patients waiting over one year for hospital treatment has fallen by 58 per cent. since March 1991-- from 169,761 to 71,022. There were more than 51,000 patients waiting over two years in March 1991 ; two-year "waiters" have now all but been eliminated.
    Mrs. Bottomley : Doctors and nurses are, indeed, doing a magnificent job in reducing waiting times. Before the reforms, the average waiting time was about nine months ; now, it is about five months, and there will be further improvements. Doctors and nurses should note what the Government have already achieved. Doctors' pay has increased by 34 per cent., while nurses' pay has increased by 52 per cent. That contrasts sharply with Labour's record.
    Mr. Blunkett : Is it a fact that the number of people on waiting lists has risen by a third since the Government took office, while the number of beds available has dropped by a third, that the number of people waiting for more than a year rose by 25 per cent. in the first half of this financial year and that those waiting for the first crucial out-patient appointment to see a consultant are not counted at all?
    Is the right hon. Lady aware that in the Mersey region, about which the fact is paraded that no one waits for more than a year, the Royal Liverpool hospital had just sent out a notice, saying that the waiting list for out- patient appointments for the spinal clinic now exceeds 18 months? Are not there lies, damned lies and Department of Health statistics?
     
  6. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Re: Good ole socialized medicine

    No, I do not want it because I think it is immoral to enforce "charity" at the point of a gun.

    Charity is a very admirable thing, but not when you are doing it with somebody else's money!
     
  7. Dan4010

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  8. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    Re: Good ole socialized medicine

    +1

    I totally agree.

    Every month I make a donation to the American Cancer Society and think of one of my brothers. He will eventually lose his war with cancer. I give to the March of Dimes, and think of of children like my daughter, who was born 90 days premature. When I see a firemen's boot drive, I give and think those who risk their lives to save others.

    I do these things because it's the right thing to do, but I do not and will not support the idea of "government charity". One of the problems in this country is that far too many people have become reliant on Uncle Sam. Why should I be forced pay the way for someone who has no interest in taking care of themselves and being self reliant? I will support various charities, because I want to. I should not be forced into paying for more "government charity"
     
  9. fallison

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    What is all this talk of charity? Don't you know everyone has an inalienable right to health care?

    /sarcasm

    :roll:
     
  10. USMC - Retired

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    You know it's funny this topic is so popular. Item 9 of the GCO Auction relates to this very well. It's a Signed Copy of Medical Warrior by Miguel A. Faria, Jr., M.D. and he goes into great detail about the evils of a health-care system dominated by big government, big business, and big labor as well as the lies of gun control advocates. Dr. Faria is a Georgia citizen that escaped the tyranny of Cuba as a child and relates the horrors of that dictatorship to what is going on in the USA today in a way that will open your eyes!
     
  11. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

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    You are such a pimp! :lol:

    You get my vote for doing a fine job as fundraising chairman.
     
  12. Dan4010

    Dan4010 New Member

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    I am with you Adam5.
     
  13. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    My father in law is the same - and he was a "lurp" in Vietnam.