Free speech or authoritarian overreaction?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by futureusr, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. futureusr

    futureusr A Typical Cat

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  2. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Free speech is vulgar, controversial, and even hate speech, we didn't need the First Amendment for normal everyday speech.
     

  3. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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  4. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    When somebody waves a "F**K YOU" sign in my face, I want to smash his face in.
    I really do.
    If you're an a-hole to me, I'm going to naturally want to treat you like an enemy who has no rights and is deserving of nothing but contempt and a good bitch slapping.

    But, in this vuglar and rude society we live in, can the F-word (even as used in an insult against an individual, or class of individuals) really be called "fighting words" ??

    I'm not so sure.

    The Supreme Court sided with the Westboro Baptist cultists, and affirmed their First Amendment right to picket and parade military funerals and say things like "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God Hates America for Loving Fags." The "time, place, and manner" limits on the First Amendment didn't apply. They could say what they wanted at pretty much any location, even the funeral of a service member who had taken no public position on homosexuality, religion, etc.

    It's like the OBSCENITY laws.

    What is "obscene" changes with society's morals.

    30 years ago, hardcore porn was obscene, even if sold in private to adult purchasers. Only the "cable TV" edited versions were safe from triggering an arrest and prosecution, especially in the Bible Belt. Now, it seems that hardcore XXX porn, including gay porn and various fetishes and perversions, are fully available anywhere (except on broadcast TV).

    Does that mean it's not "obscene" anymore, though it was 30 years ago?

    Maybe. Or maybe it's still obscene, but no government agency wants to try to enforce it and offend both the Democrats and the Libertarians.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought there was a case on that back in the 1970s.
     
  6. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Yeah, COHEN v. CALIFORNIA (1971).

    First Amendment right to wear the message “**** the draft” (uncensored F-word on display) in public (the County courthouse).

    I think the message on this pickup truck,however, that specifically says “if you voted for Trump, F**k you!” is a little more personally insulting then what Cohen had written about the draft.
     
  7. GoDores

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    If it's reasonable to make fun of leftist snowflakes who need counseling and safe spaces when exposed to opinions with which they disagree (and I think it is), it's also reasonable to make fun of rightist snowflakes who want to incite physical violence and/or use the police power of the state to punish people who express opinions with which they disagree.

    Side note: anyone else think the most remarkable aspect of this story was that the sticker was on the back window of a full-size pickup and not a Prius?
     
  8. futureusr

    futureusr A Typical Cat

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    See, there is your problem. If you have nothing but contempt for those that dislike you and feel they are not deserving of rights and free to assault, that there says a lot. I do not have any hate or contempt for those I dislike, nor those that dislike me. I recognize they are broken and hope the best for them as they figure it out. I have discovered what angers me most in others is a reflection upon myself. Don't get me wrong. I ain't their buddy either. But I genuinely wish them no overt animosity, but holding the snark in check is challenging.
     
  9. Taurus92

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    Yeah, that was worth a double take. I kept thinking photoshoped, but no.
     
  10. RedDawnTheMusical

    RedDawnTheMusical Well-Known Member

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    I detest the suppression of free speech. With that said, you have to be prepared to reap what you sow. Someone may see that sticker someday and decide that the driver needs a little "attitude adjustment", that may be a verbal or physical altercation. It also isn't this one sticker: the media is full of stories of suppression of those on the right or even anyone that doesn't have a far left view. You never known when someone that is all wound-up by far left antics gets 'triggered' by your sticker and decides to take it out on you.
     
  11. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    I would rather someone say F you to me, then say some of the other things I've seen, such as communist stickers calling for the death of millions of Americans who consider themselves capitalist.
     
  12. mb90535im

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    Anybody know where I can get one of those stickers?
     
  13. Taurus92

    Taurus92 Well-Known Member

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    Any idea what this is?

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  14. Taurus92

    Taurus92 Well-Known Member

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