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"Nobody likes having their 4th Amendment violated going through a security line, but the truth of the matter is, we're going to have to do it." - Mo McGowan, Former TSA Administrator

We actually have former TSA administration admitting that these searches and scans violate our 4th amendment rights, but its just something we're going to have to do. I mean, are we listening to this? They aren't even trying to hide the Constitutional infringements, anymore. They are right out in the open about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nArQTg88 ... r_embedded

Quote starts at 2:32, but watch the whole thing, between this guy and Janet Napolitano, its no wonder that we look exactly like a fascist country right now.

Janet Napolitano's quote sounds like something straight out of Communist Russia or Nazi Germany, talk about propaganda.

"we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience, and commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy." Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security Secretary. This quote is played at 31 seconds in the same video.

I think we need to do away with DHS, NSA and TSA. This is getting ridiculous.

Here is a piece on the NSA and their internet monitoring program with the creepy name "Perfect Citizen." Judge Napolitano, no relation to the DHS Secretary, weighs in on it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zEC-jcS ... re=related

The 4th amendment suspended by another government agency for our "safety."
 

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Janet Napolitano's quote sounds like something straight out of Communist Russia or Nazi Germany, talk about propaganda.
"...we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience, and commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy..."
Y'know, when you're really asking someone to do something, they have a choice and can say "No." The thug with a gun to your head who entreaties "Please, kind sir, may I have your wallet, ..oh, and perhaps your watch?" isn't really asking.

What Napolitano is means is "We demand that you play a part in our security theater, we demand your cooperation, citizen."
 

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Don't worry, guys they are just trying to keep us safe.... :puke:
 

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How many of you who are incensed have taken the time to write your senators and representative? A simple email saying that you consider the enhanced pat downs to be unconstitutional under the fourth amendment would suffice. Personally, I not only said that, but added that I considered this to be beyond a fourth amendment infringement and called it government sanctioned sexual assault. So far I have only gotten form letters back, but if enough people complain we can neuter the TSA.
 

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Fallschirmjäger said:
Janet Napolitano's quote sounds like something straight out of Communist Russia or Nazi Germany, talk about propaganda.
"...we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience, and commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy..."
Y'know, when you're really asking someone to do something, they have a choice and can say "No." The thug with a gun to your head who entreaties "Please, kind sir, may I have your wallet, ..oh, and perhaps your watch?" isn't really asking.

What Napolitano is means is "We demand that you play a part in our security theater, we demand your cooperation, [s:7m7ppfng]citizen[/s:7m7ppfng] serf."
FTFY :mrgreen: :righton:

I agree with you completely. When a TSA government thug with "asks" you to do something, you are really being ordered. I don't care how nicely they ask or try to explain it to you.

The scanner or pat-down is not option. You are forced to do one or the other. Either be seen and photographed naked or have your genitals groped by a government goon.

“Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant -- and a fearful master.†â€"George Washington, 1797

Government is force. Government cannot create Liberty. Government can only create tyranny. We The People are the only ones that can create Liberty and resist our government everyday in order to maintain it.

“Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance.â€â€"Woodrow Wilson
 

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How many of you who are incensed have taken the time to write your senators and representative? A simple email saying that you consider the enhanced pat downs to be unconstitutional under the fourth amendment would suffice. Personally, I not only said that, but added that I considered this to be beyond a fourth amendment infringement and called it government sanctioned sexual assault. So far I have only gotten form letters back, but if enough people complain we can neuter the TSA.
Me! Me! I have!

I agree, if you really care about your freedom we need to write all of our senators and representatives. In fact, I think I'm going to go write and call their offices again. :righton:
 

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Glad I don't have to fly anywhere, this is some bs and I won't be subjected to that.
 

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Police patdowns and "street interviews" without reasonable suspicion are violations of the Fourth Amendment but they're 'ok' because it's "necessary for officer safety"

Roadblocks for supposed "insurance and driver's licenses" (oddly enough only on holiday weekends :screwy: ) are violations of the Fourth Amendment but they're "only a minor violation" according to the Supreme Court, and the Constitutional violation is 'ok' because out of the hundreds of people stopped they might find a drunk driver or three.

Seizures and searches of passenger's person, papers and effects are a violation of the Fourth Amendment but it's 'ok' because out of the hundreds of thousands of people searched they have found exactly Zero terrorists, but a tons of nail clippers and 5oz shampoo bottles.



The government seems quite willing to compromise on the protections guaranteed by the Constitution against the government, but when it comes to something that is not explicitly protected, i.e. "profiling" its strictly omg-hand's off.
 
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