For those of you who think cars kill more people than guns..

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by gruntpain1775, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    -According to the 2007 UCR there were 14,831 murders in the US. That number does not include suicides, justifiable homicide, accidents, negligence. Just straight up murder. 72.9% involved the use of firearms, and of that percentage handguns comprised 87.9 percent.

    -There were 645 Justifiable Homicides reported. 391 of those were justifiable homicide from Police Officers, the rest from private citizens.

    _According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in 2007 there 43,945 total traffic deaths. 16,885 were alcohol related deaths.
     
  2. jlw253

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    So that's approximately 9,503 handgun-related homicides in 2007 vs. 43,945 total traffic deaths in the same year. Hmmm ...

    Drunk drivers killed 44% more people in 2007 than did individuals using handguns.

    Yeast metabolism appears to be severely under-regulated.
     

  3. politenessman

    politenessman Active Member

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    Interesting numbers. Not a surprise.
    I have some people who need to see this :)
     
  4. kineticmind

    kineticmind يفخر الكافر

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    Surely the solution would be to ban the sale of automobiles to everyone with any less than a squeaky clean past, put massive restrictions on the size of gas tanks, engines, etc., and stigmatize anyone and everyone who chooses to associate themselves with such instruments of death.

    After all, it's worked so well with guns... :screwy:
     
  5. seereus

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    Your just being flat out silly. It's not the automobile or the alcohol that should be banned, nor should there be restrictions on gas tanks or engines.

    ITS THE TIRES, WITHOUT TIRES THE AUTO WILL NOT ROLL.

    Banning the tires is the answer!!
     
  6. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    The total traffic deaths include things like an icy road and drivers slams into a tree or some other pure accident. I think it would be unfair to butt that number up against the handgun related deaths. If you take the DUI deaths and butt that up against the HG deaths, then that would be a more fair comparison.
     
  7. gruntpain1775

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  8. Rugerer

    Rugerer GeePeeDoHolic

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    Banning tires is silly. We should be willing to compromise. I propose banning high capacity tires. No "needs" a monster truck. :screwy:

    Actually, I bet it'd be interesting to break the numbers further, like deaths per car/gun, passenger mile/bullet, or somesuch "usage" metric. There are way more guns than cars in this country, aren't there?
     
  9. kineticmind

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    Pfft, criminals will always find a way to get tires... they won't let "laws" prevent them from having cars that roll! :lol:
     
  10. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Thanks for the Stats Grunt! Do you also know where we can find the backup for those Stats like a website URL?
     
  11. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    The 2007 UCR and the NHTSA reports for 2007.
     
  12. AzB

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    Banning high velocity tires would be a good start. No one "needs" to go over 10 mph. It might not reduce the number of crashes, but fewer people would be killed.

    It would probably make a huge difference in traffic deaths if felons and the certifiably insane could not own cars. But anyone can buy a car at those auctions. They don't even check your license if you have the cash in hand.

    Az
     
  13. Verbal101

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    Shouldn't we also factor in car related fatalities in Mexico? Maybe some of the cars involved in Mexican crashes could be traced back to the US.

    As a display of diplomatic impotence, we should place more burdensome restrictions on automobile sales in the US, in order to absolve Mexican authorities from taking responsibility for car crashes in their own country.
     
  14. BG_Atl

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    Yeah.... Prohibition didn't work out too well either... :lol:
     
  15. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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  16. martin_j001

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    He did that, see bolded part.
     
  17. JeF4y

    JeF4y New Member

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    The problem with any comparison like this is that people will always argue (with good success) that the data is lacking a baseline for comparison.

    Without knowing the # of guns vs # of cars, distribution per household, time of use, type of use, etc etc etc. there is no real way of comparing the data equally.
     
  18. phantoms

    phantoms Senior Mumbler

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    That's the Car Auction Loophole. :shattered:


    You mean like they do with just about any anti-gun report they already do or have done?
     
  19. spector

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    There are slightly more CARS per person than GUNS per person.

    Cars: 842 per 1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... per_capita)
    Guns: 900 per 1000 (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828)

    Of course, be careful with arguments like this, as cars are more USED than guns. The distribution of guns is also not equal to cars, as a smaller number of people hold more guns.

    Grunt is right, comparing DUI deaths to gun deaths is a great comparison.

    An even better comparison is swimming pools vs guns. NO ONE -- and I mean no one -- needs a swimming pool: "In 2007, there were 3,443 fatal unintentional drownings in the United States, averaging ten deaths per day". That's far smaller than the number of firearm deaths, but there are only 8.8 million swimming pools in the US (http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/) and there are 270 million guns in the US.

    Deaths per Swimming pool outnumbers deaths per gun by an order of magnitude.
     
  20. livesounder

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    Then you should also remove unintentional firearms deaths. Are they not a "pure accident"?