So the LEO was just acting on his own beliefs, and not the policy of the store? That doesn't sound good.
Yes. He said that he would inform their supervisor of the policy.seereus said:Did the manager/owner state they would make the security guard aware of their policy?
If not, the whole conversation was for naught.
Yes, but the proper way to challenge his authority is not by standing there and arguing with him. As a security guard employed by the store, he can ask you to leave the premises if he sees fit. If you have a problem with his decision, you should take it up with his supervisor at a later time. At the end of the day, this is private property, and you have no inherent right to be there. If the store makes the mistake of employing a security guard that wrongfully uses his authority to ask people to leave, you still have to leave, but a reasonable store will allow you to address the situation later.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
None really. He may be off duty as far as the PD is concerned, but is acting in an official capacity for the store.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
I can tell you what Publix's policy is, because I have personally talked to the Publix District Manager for Georgia, Kevin Thornton, about it. In short, Publix permits licensed carriers to concealed-carry in Publix stores with no problems, but prefers that open-carry be limited to uniformed LEOs only. He stressed 'prefers', not 'must', and I occasionally OC into a midtown-Atlanta Publix (at Ansley Mall) with no issues (the Fulton County Sheriff's Office deputy there has no problem with it either, and is in fact a G.C.O. member). This is not Kevin's policy, but Publix's - he contacted their Security department in Lakeland, Florida, to obtain the corporate policy before he returned my call.Madpegtod said:On a side note, the Piggly Wiggly manager also told me that he called the managers of the local Publix and Kroger to ascertain their policies.
You can ask him if the store owner manager asked him to not allow carry? Even better if you can pop out a camera and film his response. :shattered:RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
No conflict of interest there. [/sarcasm]GAGunOwner said:He's on-duty but getting paid by someone other than his department.
Perhaps that would explain the Publix employee who looked at me and said (loudly enough for everybody in our immediate vicinity to hear): "Day-um he got a big gun!" On Monday when I was picking up my Caramel Pecan Crunch cake for my 44th birthday. :lol:Teeter said:In short, Publix permits licensed carriers to concealed-carry in Publix stores with no problems, but prefers that open-carry be limited to uniformed LEOs only. He stressed 'prefers', not 'must', and I occasionally OC into a midtown-Atlanta Publix (at Ansley Mall) with no issues (the Fulton County Sheriff's Office deputy there has no problem with it either, and is in fact a G.C.O. member). This is not Kevin's policy, but Publix's - he contacted their Security department in Lakeland, Florida, to obtain the corporate policy before he returned my call.
I bring up the point of off duty because his capacity has changed, unless a visible crime is committed. By challenging the LEO I mean should a request to speak to the managment be requested then, to determine the LEO is not enforcing his/her own policy? I think this happened recently and discussed on the board.Adam5 said:None really. He may be off duty as far as the PD is concerned, but is acting in an official capacity for the store.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
Not then and there. Standing and arguing after being told to leave/remove the weapon from the building is a criminal act and can get you :jail: It would be criminal trespassing.
Don't request to speak to anyone until after you leave or come back without your weapon. You can easily go to your car and place your weapon in the glove box, come back and go speak to a manager or supervisor. Once the matter is cleared up you can make the choice as to going back in with your weapon or leaving in general.RIA45 said:I bring up the point of off duty because his capacity has changed, unless a visible crime is committed. By challenging the LEO I mean should a request to speak to the managment be requested then, to determine the LEO is not enforcing his/her own policy? I think this happened recently and discussed on the board.Adam5 said:None really. He may be off duty as far as the PD is concerned, but is acting in an official capacity for the store.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
Not then and there. Standing and arguing after being told to leave/remove the weapon from the building is a criminal act and can get you :jail: It would be criminal trespassing.
I agree that not arguing and obeying a request to leave is the best course of action.
+1TippinTaco said:Don't request to speak to anyone until after you leave or come back without your weapon. You can easily go to your car and place your weapon in the glove box, come back and go speak to a manager or supervisor. Once the matter is cleared up you can make the choice as to going back in with your weapon or leaving in general.
That would depend upon exactly what the demand/order/instruction was.TippinTaco said:You can easily go to your car and place your weapon in the glove box, come back and go speak to a manager or supervisor.RIA45 said:I bring up the point of off duty because his capacity has changed, unless a visible crime is committed. By challenging the LEO I mean should a request to speak to the managment be requested then, to determine the LEO is not enforcing his/her own policy? I think this happened recently and discussed on the board.Adam5 said:None really. He may be off duty as far as the PD is concerned, but is acting in an official capacity for the store.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
Not then and there. Standing and arguing after being told to leave/remove the weapon from the building is a criminal act and can get you :jail: It would be criminal trespassing.
I agree that not arguing and obeying a request to leave is the best course of action.
Nope, none.CoffeeMate said:No conflict of interest there. [/sarcasm]GAGunOwner said:He's on-duty but getting paid by someone other than his department.
I'm quite sure any business would frown upon any security keeping an unarmed citizen from the store to spend $$$. Again the way I would handle this, walk out place the gun in my glove box make sure I was completely unarmed, then return to speak with a supervisor. But for the most part if the officer tells you to NOT come back then I would head his warning and return the next day unarmed. The poster above does have a valid point it really depends on how he words it.livesounder said:That would depend upon exactly what the demand/order/instruction was.TippinTaco said:You can easily go to your car and place your weapon in the glove box, come back and go speak to a manager or supervisor.RIA45 said:I bring up the point of off duty because his capacity has changed, unless a visible crime is committed. By challenging the LEO I mean should a request to speak to the managment be requested then, to determine the LEO is not enforcing his/her own policy? I think this happened recently and discussed on the board.Adam5 said:None really. He may be off duty as far as the PD is concerned, but is acting in an official capacity for the store.RIA45 said:If the off duty LEO steps up and states you have to leave it in the car what recourse is there other than obeying, or leaving? In this case the LEO was wrong. Should his/her authority be challenged?
Not then and there. Standing and arguing after being told to leave/remove the weapon from the building is a criminal act and can get you :jail: It would be criminal trespassing.
I agree that not arguing and obeying a request to leave is the best course of action.