Firearms purchase for permite residents(green card holder)

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by murrybird, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. murrybird

    murrybird New Member

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    At work today a friend of my asked if he could purchase a firearm while being only a green card holder and not yet a citizen. I am not sure,but THINK remembering hearing that they could, however I could be wrong.

    Does anybody know for sure the rule on this. To clarify. Can a green card holder,who will be a citizen in a year, purchase a firearm legally? Yes or No.
     
  2. Mobster989

    Mobster989 New Member

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    I was just looking this up and it seems that a non-immigrant alien cannot purchase a firearm. However a lawful permanent resident (green card holder) can but they must have been a resident of their state for 90 days to purchase from a FFL dealer.
     

  3. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    I believe that "green card" holders (permanent resident aliens) can purchase firearms from and FFL and they can get the GFL.
     
  4. LJG

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    You are correct, this is my situation so I've been through it.
     
  5. curtdiss

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    My BIL in Colorado is a Park Ranger which is a POST certified position. He is Canadian and carries a gun for work and owns one or two.

    He cannot work for the Feds as a Canadian...
     
  6. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    You have to be a US citizen to work for the feds?
     
  7. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    I've even read about foreign visitors being able to carry guns here.

    They have to visit legally. Get a hunting license. Then apply to get the carry license from a state that will allow them to. I think Utah will. I'm not sure if they can import a pistol or if they are allowed to buy one here. Maybe they have to "borrow" one from someone or buy one in a private sale. I'm not sure though about the legalities of this.
     
  8. kestak

    kestak New Member

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    Greetings,

    I am green card holder living in georgia (Canadian).

    To put is simply: Yes, you can do everything a US citizen can do with guns.

    You just have to put your alien number at the bottom of the page one of the FFL form.

    I have a GFL and C&R 03 license too and I had no issue getting them.

    Thank you
     
  9. murrybird

    murrybird New Member

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    Thanks

    I told my buddy who is not from this country,but wants to get something for home protection. He is very happy to hear this. All he has to do now is talk it over with the better half,ie the wife.
     
  10. kestak

    kestak New Member

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    Greetings,

    DO not forget to tell him that he must says NO to "Are you a non-immigrant residing in USA bla bla bla..." It is a confusing question.

    He IS an immigrant.

    Thank you
     
  11. 551Holder

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    What I had to do as 551 Holder

    Just got my 551 "Green Card" so have started the GFL process.

    First I have been reading up a great deal on the CCW and the laws, like any responsible adult would.

    What a lot of conflicting documentation indeed or those of us that are not citizens.

    Make sure you tick no to everything on the sheet given, but take note of the following:-

    You MUST hold a current and valid hunting hunting license issued by the state you are residing in, and state where you are a citizen of, and that you tick the box marked have hunting license.

    Without the hunting license being shown the paperwork stops there till you have it.

    Be aware that you will have to provide your 551 Green card and other documentation such as drivers license, or vehicle registration showing that you reside in an address of the county you seek to get the ccw issued from. Additionally you will have to provide docuementation that shows you have been residing in the county for a minimum of 90 plus days.

    You will then have your prints taken at some place, normally the local police station or sheriff's department.

    These will go off to the GBI for a national records check on your police record in the USA. Note, they also go off to the FBI and Homeland Security (read as immigration) and they will also report on any external (out of country records they have on you.)

    Oddly, I remember seeing a file with my looooong past records (no felony's folks) from my country, seems freedom of information limitations does not hold for Homeland security and reciprocating Countries. Well if I was a bad boy they would not have let me in I suppose. So if you got a felony form your original country, be prepared to have it show unless they don't release records.

    Now for the good stuff, the County you reside in may or may not have a tolerant probate court Judge, or you may have one that seeks to make it difficult as heck to those who hold a 551. On this point, documentation rules.

    Take as MUCH as you can carry, letters from the Homeland security office, birth certificates, passports, obviously your 551, and documents showing you pay for cable or phone or rent at the address in the county you are saying you reside in.

    Hope that helps.

    I will log what I have gone through thus far in another section, and update it asd I find out and do the technocratic tango for a CCW.

    Later
    551Holder
     
  12. kestak

    kestak New Member

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    Greetings,

    WRONG!

    "You MUST hold a current and valid hunting hunting license issued by the state you are residing in, and state where you are a citizen of, and that you tick the box marked have hunting license. "

    YOU MUST NOT!

    I don't have one and I got my GFL and I bought plenty of weapons here without any issue.

    Thank you
     
  13. 551Holder

    551Holder New Member

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    A question then

    Kestak,

    To clarify my position, as a 551 Green card holder I am a "resident Alien", I am not nor do I hold a USA citizenship.

    If you did not state you were a US citizen, then you must state where you are a citizen of XYZ country , and that you hold a hunting license, or be one of the listed govt. or exempt ppl's they list in the codes.

    I would have committed perjury if I had stated I was a US citizen.

    How did you get around that? or did they not have that written into the questioner you filled in under oath when you went for your GFL?

    No issue? just need a bit more clarification on why you said no, and how you got round that citizen issue if your a resident alien??

    TY Bro
    551Holder
     
  14. WhoKnew

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    I just purchased a hand gun the other week from a shop. I'm a green card holder NOT a citizen and had no problem. Supplied my alien number and 3 months utility bills for my house then waited 2 days and I was approved.
    job done end of story.
     
  15. tace

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    Every federal job I have looked at had in the description in bold letters "MUST BE A US CITIZEN".

    Now, a few of them I filled out an employment application for asked me to list EVERY foreign person I have had a relationship with or known :shock: Talk about an impossible task!!!
     
  16. kestak

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    Greetings,

    When you purchase a firearm and you are a green card holder in GA, you must submit ONLY:
    1 - proof of residence (for me driving license)
    2 - "A" number (The Alien number on your green card, you do not even have to submit your card) and you write down your country of birth.
    3 - IF you want to avoid de stupid call to the Natinal Database, you present your GFL.

    Nowhere you need to present a hunting permit at least you said yes to the non-resident alien. If you reside in GA, you say that you are not a non-resident alien.

    Thank you
     
  17. phaed

    phaed New Member

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    i believe the kid that shot up v-tech fit this category. it was a legit purchase (barring the mental stuff).
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

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    Was the "mental stuff" a bar? In other words, would somebody spell out for me what precise "mental stuff" was involved and whether he should have been prohibited under the federal law from purchasing?

    I am not trying to trap anybody, so take a stab at it if you have the information.
     
  19. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    Hunting license required for foreign visitor to posses guns.

    No hunting license required for resident alien (green card holder) to posses guns.
     
  20. WhoKnew

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    If I recall correctly there was some privacy law that prevented his history of mental illness being reported to the authorities (feds?) and so when the check was run on him he came back clean even though he had been given counselling for depression and suicidal tendencies. That's purely based upon my recall of events and media coverage at the time. I'm sure all the info is available on the net.