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The claims in 2000 mules should be easy to confirm or disprove if the raw geo data and drop box locations and algorithms are made available and qualified interested 3rd parties take up the challenge.

I just made them available to you. You also have the film itself showing you "geo data" for Gwinnett County. Check it!




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Yeah, just pretend that did not happen and move on, rambling about nursing homes and selfies.
 

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Malum, you are a great source ! Has your overconfidence ever lead you into trouble ?

Of course! But I am not confident in this at all. I haven't personally plotted the ballot box locations yet to confirm that the film is lying about the 28 drop boxes in one night. So confidence is low.
 

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Agreed - if the 2000 mules movie guys are misrepresenting the basics they will be found out soon enough. They have aroused lots of debunkers but so far the debunk case is not strong enough to counter all the things the movie claims.

If the mules movie has some truth in it, especially with respect to electronic device tracking, you can bet the next election will not have any interesting cell phone data to analyze. The "off" button, or even better, leave it home.

We all recall the many claims made for the covid vax/boosters and how they have stood the test of time.

We eventually figure things out, well most things. I'm still waiting on a few final words on the JFK deal, talk about a dozen rabbit holes that one has left us with.

Some things are truly unknowable, but this cell phone ping data is not one of them. The analysis of it, well that's another thing !
 

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No worry about the phone tracking or turning it off. With phones, sometimes off is only off to you, but not to the tracking people, govt, other side, species or whichever.

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Agreed - if the 2000 mules movie guys are misrepresenting the basics they will be found out soon enough. They have aroused lots of debunkers but so far the debunk case is not strong enough to counter all the things the movie claims.

If the mules movie has some truth in it, especially with respect to electronic device tracking, you can bet the next election will not have any interesting cell phone data to analyze. The "off" button, or even better, leave it home.

We all recall the many claims made for the covid vax/boosters and how they have stood the test of time.

We eventually figure things out, well most things. I'm still waiting on a few final words on the JFK deal, talk about a dozen rabbit holes that one has left us with.

Some things are truly unknowable, but this cell phone ping data is not one of them. The analysis of it, well that's another thing !
So are you avoiding looking up the addresses so as not to be accused of being a potential debunker, as if that is some sort of humiliating thing? I don't understand your post in the context of what I presented above.

As for "not strong enough to counter," the angry fleas claim would absolutely show that the film lies to its audience about the very heart of its claim. I do not understand how that is "not strong enough," unless angry fleas is the one simply lying. But you do not have to rely on either the film or angry fleas.

I did not get the 24 addresses from angry fleas, and you do not even have to rely upon me for those addresses (and certainly do not need to rely on angry fleas).

So . . .
 

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Hey I watched the movie !
It was interesting and I post about interesting things.
Not looking for any assignments. No agenda here.

As to the GBI, I've read (again who knows if true?), that True the Vote provided the GBI all their video and raw data pings over a year ago.

I certainly don't have time to compare lists of addresses from opposing views about anything, my detective days are over.

The main real take-away from 2000 mules is that vote fraudsters are sophisticated and mail-in voting is a playground for them. If indeed they were successful with the 2020 election, meaning no law enforcement interest, then the sky is the limit in the future.

It's great that the Dominion machines do computerized signature comparisons and you can turn the knob down to "1" and everything matches ! Saves lots of work.
 

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Like I said in my first post, the massive ping data and the quality and trustworthiness of those who analyze it will prove or disprove the movie's conclusion. So far the correlation of drop box location and ping data has been disputed by someone using low-res maps and a list of dropbox locations. And if it is true, then the tracking data presented in the movie is very much bogus.

Analyzing that data, given its size, would take a lot of expertise and maybe more computer time than is available anywhere. Trillions of pings ? Petabyte in size.

Supposedly the T the V people claim they spent $millions on the raw data but then used political activists to analyze it!
If that data was that expensive, no doubt it came with copyright restrictions by the seller. That's convenient to keep others from having a peek.

Seems the movie landed with a thud and went no where. If this dies completely then T the V and Dinesh will have made a few bucks and destroyed their credibility.

Sorta like Dick Morris, former political TV expert: one major mistake and then gone forever.

Did they (and there are a lot of people involved) really think they could make wild claims and get away with it ?

There were some interesting election anomalies we all know are true: vote count stops in multiple places at the same time, paper goes over the windows to stymie the curious, water leak that wasn't, postal truck driver on NJ to PA run has a story that disappears instantly, the belwether counties (my fav anomaly), Zuckerburg's massive investment in drop boxes, very few mail in ballots worthy of challenge compared to previous percentages, etc.

I suppose the movie is an example of the "Big Lie" theory. So outrageous that it cannot be wrong since it would be easy to disprove.

The Trump Russia deal has taken years to unravel. Most big lies do unravel, the Covid vax story still has some loose ends that will eventually settle out.
 

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Read past the headline and the author's obvious bias and find out what is going on in Georgia with the actual investigation.
 
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Here are 2020's locations in Gwinnett.

  • Gwinnett – 24 Drop Boxes
  • Bogan Park Community Recreation Center, 2723 North Bogan Road, Buford, GA 30519
  • Dacula Park Activity Building, 2735 Old Auburn Ave., Dacula, GA 30019
  • George Pierce Park Community Recreation Center, 55 Buford Highway, Suwanee, GA 30024
  • Lenora Park Gym, 4515 Lenora Church Road, Snellville, GA 30039
  • Lucky Shoals Park Community Recreation Center, 4651 Britt Road, Norcross, GA 30093
  • Mountain Park Aquatic Center,1063 Rockbridge Road, Stone Mountain, GA 30087
  • Shorty Howell Park Activity Building, 2750 Pleasant Hill Road, Duluth, GA 30096
  • (2 at this location) Voter Registrations and Elections Beauty P. Baldwin Building, 455 Grayson Highway, Suite 200, Lawrenceville
  • Buford-Sugar Hill Library 2100 Buford Hwy, Buford, GA 30518
  • Centerville Library 3025 Bethany Church Road, Snellville, GA 30039
  • Collins Hill Library 455 Camp Perrin Road, Lawrenceville, GA 30043
  • Dacula Library 265 Dacula Road, Dacula, GA 30019
  • Duluth Library 3480 Duluth Park Lane, Duluth, GA 30096
  • Five Forks Library 2780 Five Forks Trickum Road, Lawrenceville, GA 30044
  • Grayson Library 700 Grayson Parkway, Grayson, GA 30017
  • Hamilton Mill Library 3690 Braselton Highway, Dacula, GA 30019
  • Lawrenceville Library 1001 Lawrenceville Highway, Lawrenceville, GA 30046
  • Lilburn Library 4817 Church Street, Lilburn, GA 30047
  • Mountain Park Library 1210 Pounds Road SW, Lilburn, GA 30047
  • Norcross Library 6025 Buford Hwy., Norcross, GA 30071
  • Peachtree Corners Library 5570 Spalding Drive, Peachtree Corners, GA 30092
  • Snellville Library 2740 Lenora Church Road, Snellville, GA 30078
  • Suwanee Library 361 Main Street, Suwanee, GA 30024
It's too bad none of you had the balls to take me up on this. It looks like one of the addresses matches one of the orange dots, contrary to the claims made by angry fleas.
 

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This was to me an interesting question.
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If cell phone geotracking can be reliably used by the Biden DOJ to establish if a January 6 defendant was inside or outside the door of the Capitol, why can’t it be reliably used to establish if mules were within a few feet of 10 or more ballot dropboxes? #2000Mules
 

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Very interesting.

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This was to me an interesting question.
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If cell phone geotracking can be reliably used by the Biden DOJ to establish if a January 6 defendant was inside or outside the door of the Capitol, why can’t it be reliably used to establish if mules were within a few feet of 10 or more ballot dropboxes? #2000Mules
Can I ask what makes it interesting?
 

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Let’s get to the bottom of the data…
Depicted on that map are 4 circles. The innermost is the claimed “within 10 feet” which is not technically feasible without anchoring and pairing differential GPS to a smartphone. The next two inner circles (16ft and 20ft respectively) depict the typical GPS accuracy of a smartphone which was not the “cellular location data“ claimed to be used. The outer circle of 98ft (or 30m) depicts the accuracy of data from tower-based triangulation.

The 10ft claim is based on data with accepted 98ft accuracy. That’s the difference between claiming to know your location in a stadium +/- two rows and +/- four seats when the reality is that the data available would mean you are located anywhere from the 18th to 18th yard line practically on either side of the field (click satellite view on the next link).

Now for comparison, here is that 98ft/30m radius circle within the Capitol itself.

Just in case the links get mangled, here are screenshots of each…
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If interesting were a term to use to discuss this, it is interesting that someone took data to law enforcement saying “Hey, your department regularly uses and is aware the accuracy limitation of my data is 98ft so can you go investigate felonies based on my 10ft estimates?” In the context of encountering a 2’x2‘ drop box with a 98ft location radius, that is clearly not sufficient probable cause to rule out reasonable and ordinary passers by. In the context of a 751’x350’ building, a 98ft location radius actually demonstrates probable cause with respect to being present inside the building.
 
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