[NTA]

Here's a lot of Associated Press debunk and re-bunk

Fact Checking the Fact Checkers: AP's Hit Piece on '2000 Mules' is Full of Holes

The only thing that's being debunked here is The Associated Press.

redstate.com

 

[45_Fan]

Here's a lot of Associated Press debunk and re-bunk

Fact Checking the Fact Checkers: AP's Hit Piece on '2000 Mules' is Full of Holes

The only thing that's being debunked here is The Associated Press.

redstate.com

“Identified”
Should be easy enough to provide hard evidence then.
It is 2022 and still waiting…

For a little over 2 years RedState has been pushing the theft narrative without hard evidence. They asked a bunch of questions to supposedly poke holes in the AP story but the core of RedState’s argument is “The AP has not proven that [insufficient or no] fraud occurred.” The burden of proof is on RedState to provide evidence sufficient fraud occurred, not on the AP to prove it didn’t.

The Associated Press claims that “2000 Mules” did not prove that “at least 2,000 ‘mules’ were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election”

Focus on this.

Now focus on how RedState “debunks” this:
But people wore gloves.
But people took photos.
But there was anonymized cellular location data.

I had a beer with dinner. This is verifiable because I stated as such and an intensive forensic investigation could find the can with my fingerprints, DNA, and no doubt some of my dinner remnants in my recycling bin and could further link the dinner to leftover packaging in my trash can and dirty tableware in my yet-to-run dishwasher. While that may all be curious, it only provides literally proof of beer with dinner. If someone says that is somehow proof I’m imbued with Superman’s powers and gets their nose wrinkled when the limitation of available facts is pointed out, saying “but it presents curious questions about the food’s cook time and seasonings” does not actually prove the hypothesis that I have Superman’s powers nor debunk the third party that says there is no credible evidence that I have such powers.

Or to put it differently. Just because it is not normative for some in one tribe to wear gloves and masks during a pandemic this is not true for all others in all other tribes. Just because it is not normative for some in one tribe to photograph their life does not mean this is the case for all others in all other tribes. There is literally a phrase amongst millennials that “phones eat first” meaning food gets posted on social media…like “I voted” stickers, new shoes, manicure results, and 2 year old’s birthday parties.

RedState puts out the argument that “gloves were not needed because of the temperature” and provides temperature graphs to support that claim.

It must not be very cold out.

Let’s just end with RedState’s quote regarding surgical gloves.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Law enforcement folks can take it or leave it as to further investigation.

And they left it. Do you really think the GBI would not be all over this if it presented anything at all? As it is, the GBI said it did not even rise to the level of something to investigate - that is how weak the evidence was, according to the GBI.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

And to be clear, the article says that True the Vote is "refusing to cooperate," not that it handed over what it has and does not have any more, which is the claim being made by posters in this thread.

It's pretty bad that I was curious about this film, but the responses to this thread have pretty much convinced me it is not worth watching. It sounds like two hours of confirmation bias, with no real evidence. And to be clear, that is what you are making it sound like. That is my assessment from your posts.


Wait, you, your? Is he talking about me? If you suspect so, then yeah, probably.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I'm sorry Malum but your statement here renders any response to you as being totally pointless in my unlearned, oft times, downright stupid and lowly opinion.
There are others here more suited, in terms of temperament, intelligence and tolerance, to engage in thoughtful discourse with the likes of you, than I.

That statement of mine that you quoted is followed by very specific questions relating to whether the film does, indeed, back up the far reaching claims. It is interesting that you find responding to a post asking, does the film back up its claims? as "totally pointless." It tells me that the very question is pointless to you. So long as the film offers confirmation bias for your tribe, then you cheer it on.

If confirmation bias is presented as evidence for the other tribe, then you would be quick to tear it to shreds and identify it for what it is.

My statement was that the trailer makes some pretty dramatic claims, so dramatic, that I think it would be difficult to support those claims with evidence. Then I ask questions about what evidence the film provides.

But "any response to [me would be] totally pointless," as if evidence does not matter.

I suppose to you it does not.

To me, it does. It matters a lot.

I reach my conclusions based on evidence.

Others make up their minds and then search for evidence to support what they have concluded. You examine yourself to see which sort of mind you have.

The latter sort of closed mind is far more common than the former, unfortunately.

 

[Bkite]

No sir, you actually displayed your closed mind with the "it will not possibly be able to back up", comment. You obviously have an agenda that goes beyond answering the simple question I posted. You watched the trailer and you have made up your mind that there is no way they can back up their claims.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

No sir, you actually displayed your closed mind with the "it will not possibly be able to back up", comment. You obviously have an agenda that goes beyond answering the simple question I posted. You watched the trailer and you have made up your mind that there is no way they can back up their claims.

And apparently, judging by the responses here, they didn't back up the promises made in the trailer. I can only go off what the rest of you have posted. You've seen it. I haven't. Apparently, it does not make its case very well.

 

[Bkite]

And apparently, judging by the responses here, they didn't back up the promises made in the trailer. I can only go off what the rest of you have posted. You've seen it. I haven't. Apparently, it does not make its case very well.

Yessir. You can absolutely "go off what" others say and base your opinion on that.

 

[Smilodon]

I wanted to see the movie last week, but didn't want to have to go to Dothan to see it. They're saying that they are going to release everything they have. I guess we will see if they have any real evidence then.

 

[Bkite]

I wanted to see the movie last week, but didn't want to have to go to Dothan to see it. They're saying that they are going to release everything they have. I guess we will see if they have any real evidence then.

It is available for 3 day rental or purchase on SalemNOW - Movies, Events, and More

 

[Smilodon]

I don't have good internet available. Heck att downgraded the plan I had for years because their phone lines are in such bad condition they couldn't deliver advertised speeds.

 

[Schweisshund]

So you deny Russian involvement in fomenting civil war in eastern Ukraine, or you are just adding another actor?

I am stating that George Soros fomented civil unrest in Ukraine, even before the Soviet collapse.

He even brags about this ...openly.

The Open Society Foundations in Ukraine

The International Renaissance Foundation in Ukraine is part of the Open Society Foundations and has been supporting Ukraine since 1990. It helps fund local groups working on issues from access to health care and education to the fight against corruption.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

 

[TimBob]

I wanted to see the movie last week, but didn't want to have to go to Dothan to see it. They're saying that they are going to release everything they have. I guess we will see if they have any real evidence then.

I thought the movie was showing in Columbus; is that closer than Dothan for you?

 

[Smilodon]

It's about the same, I prefer the drive to Dothan. Tallahassee is the closest, but they were sold out at the time.

 

[AtlPhilip]

[QUOTE="Smilodon, post: 3074709, member: 69059]They're saying that they are going to release everything they have. I guess we will see if they have any real evidence then.[/QUOTE]

If they have evidence of malfeasance in there with holding it in order to make a movie, they are complicit.

Expect this movie to be a bunch of wild speculation peppered with sketchy circumstantial evidence.

 

[Bkite]

[QUOTE="Smilodon, post: 3074709, member: 69059]They're saying that they are going to release everything they have. I guess we will see if they have any real evidence then.

If they have evidence of malfeasance in there with holding it in order to make a movie, they are complicit.

Expect this movie to be a bunch of wild speculation peppered with sketchy circumstantial evidence.
[/QUOTE]
complicit. Now that is an impactful and interesting word in the whole discussion of everything that is going on these days. I find myself using it often. A phrase I use often is silence is complicity.

 

[gunsmoker]

Here's a photo of a democrat undercover agent dressed as a poll worker carrying mass-produced (in China) counterfeit ballets to the polling place:

Check out this scanned image of the confession by a major Dem Party donor who wrote that he regrets funding the ballot-tampering campaign in 2020.

Don't forget the audit that showed the votes for Biden exceeded all registered voters in that jurisdiction by a factor of 150%.

The evidence is right here, for all to see plainly, in black and white !

 

[Nemo]

With some red added to cover the blue action coloring.

Nemo

 

[Bkite]

The title erroneously attributes this particular action to idiocy as you can readily see. To those who have unseeing eyes and unhearing ears, the real cause of the current state of affairs in regard to this topic and others, is not as readily apparent as it is to others.
'Absolute Idiocy': Biden Blasted for Canceling Major Oil Leases Across Multiple States (townhall.com)

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

No sir, you actually displayed your closed mind with the "it will not possibly be able to back up", comment. You obviously have an agenda that goes beyond answering the simple question I posted. You watched the trailer and you have made up your mind that there is no way they can back up their claims.

So show us your open mind.

The 28 drop boxes and 5 pickup locations for one cell phone in one day? Remember that one from the film? It looks like this:

Those orange dots are supposed to be drop boxes for ballots.


Guess what?

Those are not the locations of actual drop boxes for ballots.

I guess "watch the film" does not reveal if the film is lying to you.


So . . . how closed or open is your mind, Bkite?

Here is an overlay with white circles where actual drop box locations exist.

The premise of the film was questionable even if the white circles did line up with the orange dots, but since they don't, how are you going to trust anything the film has to say?

Is your mind still closed?