[Bkite]

Move along! Nothing to see here! Politifact has already stamped this as just conspiracy theory stuff so you know there is nothing to it.
Dozens of US Food Processing Plants Destroyed In Fires, Accidents In Recent Weeks (eutimes.net)

 

[Bkite]

Anyone here seen the documentary 2000 Mules?

 

[NTA]

quiet, nothing to see here

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[Malum Prohibitum]

No, but it sure is racking up the $$$$

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/less-12-hours-2000-mules-120000362.html

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Anyone here seen the documentary 2000 Mules?

Have you? I watched the trailer, and, to be honest, it looks like it makes pretty dramatic claims that it will not possibly be able to back up. Did the film, to your satisfaction, prove that folks were dropping off ballots that were completed by someone other than the voter on the ballot, and in large enough numbers to change any electors?

Do they prove circumstantial evidence, like payments?

Are any of the videos linked to cell phone data, that is, here is the video, and here is that person's cell phone data? (FYI - Georgia's Secretary of State already released a statement stating it investigated the one video in Georgia and the drop off shown in the video was legitimate and legal and therefore does not support the claims being made in the 2000 Mules film).

Tell us a little about the level of evidence being presented from your perspective, as somebody who watched the film.

 

[NTA]

The gloves (Associated Press debunks the gloves: Covid !), the drop ballots person taking a phone pic of the drop box (proof to get himself paid?) ... mighty strange.
and if the ping data analysis is correct then that's proof of something - one guy (much less thousands) does not make dozens of box visits at 3 am and then hit another batch of boxes after leaving the lefty non-profit outfit (in GA, one of them was Stacey's).

Everything depends on the credibility of the guys and algorithms used to analyze and map the trillion phone pings. Works for the FBI / CDC / local police on their cases that need to prove who was somwhere, when, and how they got there.

 

[45_Fan]

the gloves, the ballot person taking a phone pic of the drop box ... mighty strange.
and if the ping data analysis is correct then that's proof of something - one guy does not make dozens of box visits at 3 am and then hit another batch of boxes.

Everything depends on the credibility of the guys and algorithms used to analyze the trillion phone pings.

One guy could certainly and illegitimately dump a million ballots in boxes but each tendered absentee ballot gets matched with a real voter on real voter rolls or gets discarded. On the backend of that problem is a) any significant number of junk ballots tendered in such a manner will get flagged, b) there are magically zero voters showing up in person where the state claims they already possess a tendered absentee ballot in that voter‘s name and therefore cannot vote, and c) there is apparently zero duplication of tendered absentee ballots!

 

[NTA]

100% of of folks in many nursing homes voted, some that spend the day moaning and drooling.
There's no sig match, even the dominion machines that do it have been dialed down to accept anything (especially in GA). The envelope with the sig is then destroyed and is no longer connected to the ballot (which has no ID on it).
The documentary does show/speculate how many ballots were generated which would pass the voter-roll issue.
Seems I remember lots of folks showing up at the polls and then were told " no you already voted "

What nails it for me is the massive deviation in the "Bell Weather Counties". First time ever.
Also, pausing the vote in all the right places - what was that all about ? And Biden getting more votes than Obama. Lots of statistics deviated on that election.
Fortunately the Fed laws require that the machines/evidence be preserved for a coupe years. Woops ! Many dominion hard drives removed after the election and disappeared.
What ever happened to the truck driver who brought ballots from NJ to PA. If this was debunked by law enforcement, why no news?

It was also strange that Trump lost and the down ballot Repubs won ! I'd like to know how many ballots only voted for the President and no one else on the ballot. That data should be there somewhere for use by the folks who analyze elections for a living.

The bottom line, it's too late to worry that past election.

NO Republicans have been stirred into speaking/speculating by the documentary.

Fox news is not mentioning the documentary or allowing guests to mention it.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

NO Republicans have been stirred into speaking/speculating by the documentary.

I heard Republican politicians discussing this video on the radio (satellite radio). I could swear it was Fox News or Fox Business News, but I was not paying attention to that because I had not yet heard the claims that no Republicans are talking about it and Fox News has banned its mention, so I did not commit to memory any details. One of those two channels is where I first heard of the existence of this video.

Anyway, it sounds like you saw the film. Does it address the points I raised? I haven't seen it, and I am trying to figure out if it is worth my time because it presents real evidence or falls into the category of Kraken, Pizzagate, Robert Malone type crap. I certainly do not want to throw money at/ reward the latter type of behavior.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Here is the Secretary of State's position: (1) investigated video which ended up being a man dropping off ballots for himself and his 5 family members. (2) Election fraud org refuses to cooperate with the investigation by the Secretary of State, so he has issued subpoenas.

Election investigators have reviewed several videos included in “2000 Mules” and found no illegal behavior, including a video that showed a Gwinnett County man inserting ballots into a drop box, according to the secretary of state’s office.

“We investigated, and the five ballots that he turned in were all for himself and his family members,” said Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger during a debate last week.
. . .

True the Vote hasn’t cooperated with Georgia’s election investigations, refusing to disclose the names of people who allegedly harvested ballots. The State Election Board issued subpoenas on the organization last month to seek documents, recordings and names of individuals involved.

What ‘2000 Mules’ leaves out of ballot harvesting claims

The movie "2000 Mules" by Dinesh D'Souza alleges a ballot harvesting conspiracy in Georgia and four other states, but it lacks proof and context to support allegations of fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

www.ajc.com

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

GBI:

The GBI reviewed True the Vote’s allegations last fall and found they lacked sufficient evidence to merit a law enforcement investigation.

“What has not been provided is any other kind of evidence that ties these cellphones to ballot harvesting,” wrote GBI Director Vic Reynolds in a Sept. 30 letter. “As it exists, the data, while curious, does not rise to the level of probable cause that a crime has been committed.”

 

[NTA]

I'd say the documentary is about 25% too long but well worth watching.

Like I said, if the cell phone tracking analysis is true then there are thousands of folks that need to be investigated. Much more than "curious". Also, T the V admits to having no data that ties particular people by name to the mules. That takes a Law Enforcement subpoena.

Should be free to watch at some point pretty soon.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I'd say the documentary is about 25% too long but well worth watching.

Like I said, if the cell phone tracking analysis is true then there are thousands of folks that need to be investigated. Much more than "curious". Also, T the V admits to having no data that ties particular people by name to the mules. That takes a Law Enforcement subpoena.

Should be free to watch at some point pretty soon.

Why is True the Vote not cooperating with Georgia elections officials?

 

[NTA]

Why is True the Vote not cooperating with Georgia elections officials?

They don't have the data needed to prove anything. They admit this. But they sure make a good case for lots of "curious" going on. The video of mules taking pictures of the box after the drop in the wee hours of the morning as well as in broad daylight is damning.

Proof enough to at least identify those who need to be interviewed would require particular cell phone digital ID's mapped to the cell phone owner.

Don't have it, cannot get it.

Now a law enforcement agency, if curious enough, could probably get a court to force the phone company to make the reveal in order to further investigate.

 

[45_Fan]

https://www.wkow.com/news/group-claiming-cell-phone-gps-data-show-election-problems-gets-hearing-at-capitol/article_2ca6c816-abbe-11ec-a607-e7e546ed7d97.html

The group alleged it had zeroed in on 138 "target devices" in Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Racine that had "pinged" near drop boxes at least 26 times during the two-week period of early in-person voting in 2020.

In a given week, I commute past the same places 10 times. If I were to narrow that to a specific stretch of road, then I’d easily traverse the same spot 36 times in 2 weeks. I am not a rideshare operator nor taxi nor delivery driver nor a utility service vehicle nor a transit driver. Out of a population of 750,000 I am certain there are 138 examples of people that either share my commuting circumstances or have a job such as one I have mentioned that would take them within reach of a drop box during a given two week span of time.

Tell me 138 people are on camera depositing ballots at least 26 times in two weeks and you have my attention. Tell me 138 people drove past a FedEx or clothing donation drop box 26 times in two weeks and I’ll kindly suggest they also breathed, drank water, and ate food in those two weeks as well.

 

[45_Fan]

They don't have the data needed to prove anything. They admit this. But they sure make a good case for lots of "curious" going on. The video of mules taking pictures of the box after the drop in the wee hours of the morning as well as in broad daylight is damning.

Proof enough to at least identify those who need to be interviewed would require particular cell phone digital ID's mapped to the cell phone owner.

Don't have it, cannot get it.

Now a law enforcement agency, if curious enough, could probably get a court to force the phone company to make the reveal in order to further investigate.

Salem witch trials and McCarthyism come to mind. Surely a lack of evidence can be overcome by stripping away individual rights?

How exactly is a person taking a photo of something with a cellphone damning evidence? YouTube, Facebook, NextDoor, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok want to know…

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

They don't have the data needed to prove anything. They admit this. But they sure make a good case for lots of "curious" going on. The video of mules taking pictures of the box after the drop in the wee hours of the morning as well as in broad daylight is damning.

Proof enough to at least identify those who need to be interviewed would require particular cell phone digital ID's mapped to the cell phone owner.

Don't have it, cannot get it.

Now a law enforcement agency, if curious enough, could probably get a court to force the phone company to make the reveal in order to further investigate.

So you are claiming that True The Vote has cooperated fully with Georgia elections officials?

 

[Bkite]

No, but it sure is racking up the $$$$

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/less-12-hours-2000-mules-120000362.html

Yes it is

 

[Bkite]

I watched the trailer, and, to be honest, it looks like it makes pretty dramatic claims that it will not possibly be able to back up.

I'm sorry Malum but your statement here renders any response to you as being totally pointless in my unlearned, oft times, downright stupid and lowly opinion.
There are others here more suited, in terms of temperament, intelligence and tolerance, to engage in thoughtful discourse with the likes of you, than I.

 

[NTA]

So you are claiming that True The Vote has cooperated fully with Georgia elections officials?

No claims being made by me at all. You asked some questions about things viewers of the documentary might have learned. I think I helped a bit.

Movie makers have no obligation whatever beyond the movie. It stands alone. Criticism is of course expected. I doubt that any GA election folks are looking for any "cooperation".
Especially if they look like they did not detect a major problem or two on their watch.

Viewers are free to make their own conclusions.

Law enforcement folks can take it or leave it as to further investigation.

Many Dems claimed the 2016 was stolen, likewise Repubs on the 2020. I don't know of any real investigations of either claim by independent / official organizations.

I'm a bit surprised that the movie has pretty much hit with a thud, soon to be forgotten.