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Please make no mistake about it. Immigration and refugee policies of the current bogus administration are being used as weapons to destroy America. Nothing more and nothing less. Joe Biden, his ilk and his puppet masters are attempting to put the very last nail in the coffin of what was the greatest Nation this world has ever known heretofore. He and they are truly, unarguably, Enemies Foreign and Domestic.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ty-measures-25000-migrants-being-brought-u-s/
 

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I am hard pressed to believe, to even understand, that someone who saw the redistribution of American wealth and power prior to the 2016 election of Trump, who understood that there exists a political/elite class that is working for globalism and who is above the so called Justice system we currently have in place, who recognized that the Constitution was being weakened and disregarded at multiple turns, cannot see that, from the very day Trump announced his candidacy, the elitist swamp creatures on both sides of the political aisle, as well as global forces, have done their dead level best to discredit, cripple and disparage him to the point where non-thinking, eyeless and earless sheep will never again question the slow, steady, and, to this point in history, successful destruction of America as our forefathers intended her to be.
I have said all along Mitch McConnell is one of the biggest bottom feeding creatures in the swamp.
Here is the proof that he belongs to that elitist Status Quo group who cares not one iota what happens to "the common people" above and beyond his desire that those common people people stay blind and ignorant sufficient to keep the likes of him in power.
GOP Leader McConnell: Trump Can Be Criminally Prosecuted - Buck Sexton Show
 

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These are scary times indeed. How can we stop this?
I don't think we can stop what's coming. I am torn about what exactly to do however. There is the old saying something like "bad things happen when good men do nothing". We have used all the institutions and such to secure a change but look where we are. The Lord tells us I believe that things will get bad. I am just torn how much, according to his Will, we are to resist as opposed to how much we are to oppose.
 

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Fellow dissidents, it is time to start asking some (persuasive) questions.
https://www.brenthamachek.com/post/...e-role-of-the-21st-century-american-dissident
It hurts my head and my heart to read this. Christianity is being linked now to nationalism and white supremacy. In the end, it is Christianity that is under attack. I believe that the God of true Christianity ordained the creation, development and rise of America. We had a chance and we blew it. Maybe our timidity and capitulation was all part of the plan. Who knows other than God Himself.
 

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The country ended with Clinton. End of story. Nothing but rubble left.
No, no, no, my mistake, it really ended after that Bush guy.
Er, no, wait, that was Obama. Smoldering ruin, nothing but radioactive afterglow.
Well....no, that was Trump....Biden...somebody always complaining about it no matter who it is.

It’s almost like there’s a detectable pattern here.
I concur. You display a very obvious pattern. Your comments have nothing to do by the way with the very real current assault on American Sovereignty however.
 

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Actually they do. They weren’t posted for you though. If you’d rather me write to you as an audience, I’d ask you directly where you are in your own headspace. You, not-a-Georgia resident, came to a Georgia 2A forum and started a topic of certain unmistakable verbiage in the wake of events on January 6th. Events that have brought both traditionally conservative groups and their communication methods under increased scrutiny. To further that, in the opening salvo, you then label the President so very specifically:

Following that opening, you have, over and over again, posted messages of divisive (even within conservative communities) nationalistic rhetoric witho ut meaningful contribution to, or even commentary on, our current political efforts to preserve and expand 2A rights in Georgia. It leaves me questioning your goals here. Are you looking to run off new potential 2A allies? Are you looking to sow discord amongst 2A advocates and fracture solidarity? Are you looking to bring down enough additional scrutiny to neuter the usefulness of this virtual town square as we debate enhancements of current legislation? Or worse yet, are you just truly unaware that these are all the fruits of your labor in this place? Seriously, what is your purpose here?
Your comments = gobbledygook plain and simple.
We can start over on less adversarial terms if you are mature enough.
I'll pose direct clear questions. You can do the same and I will endeavor to answer.

Do you believe that America can continue on as a Sovereign nation if the current trajectory stays in place?

There. A clear question, posed to inspire dialogue. thanks in advance.

In answer to some of your questions and to be as clear as I can be, I'll answer a few of your questions.

My goal is to further support the 2nd Amendment.

In my opinion, the 2nd Amendment was pinned with the express purpose of illuminating the individual citizen's right to protect itself from an abusive, over reaching government. It was not pinned to illuminating the citizen's right to hunt or even protect against one on one aggression from intruders or would be assailants. What are your thoughts on the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?

I was born and raised in Georgia. Just recently, if you can call 2017 recently, moved out of Georgia to TN. I am a life member of Georgia Carry and again, I support the 2nd Amendment.

I did suggest that Joe Biden and those of his ilk are enemies domestic. I stand by that. I have nothing to support an alternative view. I would welcome any evidence to the contrary. You are welcome to present your argument to the contrary. To help you collect your thoughts here are a couple of questions you can answer directy.

What about his or his administrations policies will strengthen America's Sovereignty?

Specifically, how does his actions on illegal immigration benefit the American taxpayer and strengthen American Sovereignty?

Hopefully you will see this as the olive leaf as it was intended.
 

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You typically do not accept my counterpoints to your anti-immigration views.
  • Immigrants have significantly lower crime rates than native citizens.
  • Pretty much every economic boom in the history the US has been fueled by immigrants.
  • Artificially low immigration caps continue to result in off-shoring of jobs and loss of economic leadership and innovation by the US.
  • Undocumented immigrants pay substantial taxes without the benefits.
  • There is no instant ”I crossed the border now I get welfare lottery”; It takes 10 years for even documented immigrants to be eligible for welfare.
To claim a loss of sovereignty, you will have to provide your current definition of sovereignty for me to understand your complaints, I don’t see the President of Mexico moving into the Whitehouse nor China annexing 5 states nor Russia installing Senators.

I’m patriotic. I may grumble about the amount of taxes I pay or if my favorites lose in the election but I was raised to view voting, accepting the outcome of elections, and paying taxes as deeply patriotic duties. I still believe that the US, for all her flaws, is still the best country in the world and I believe we have a duty to share that success with any others who wish to participate similarly. I believe we’re still flawed and we’ve still made some mistakes (the 17th amendment, capping the size of the House, and prohibition come to mind) but I also believe we’re better today than we ever have been. Definitely better than 200 years ago. Definitely better than 100 years ago. Definitely better than 50 years ago.

That all being said, here is the crux of where I don’t follow: I don’t see a pending dissolution of the US. I see an alienated hard-right micro-minority unwilling to trade in facts blustering about with phrases and notions of violence and bloodshed and gallows for reasons wildly beyond my comprehension. It’s not that I’m not open to explanation either. Explanations have been seriously lacking. Facts willfully discarded. Agitprop valued over real dialog. What really fries my brain though is the hard-left side of the spectrum still talks facts once the barrier of emotional arguments is breached. The fact that such an asymmetry even exists compounds just my “I just don’t get it” statement here.

If you want my view of the next 50-100 years? Global governance is coming. We have a choice in being the single defining voice above all others or shirking that responsibility and accepting (through force, economic hardship, or irrelevance) whatever is defined in our absence. Closing the doors all but ensures we eventually accept instead of define.
You start your response by being intellectually dishonest. There is a difference between illegal and legal immigration. I am not anti-immigration.
As far as the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT paying taxes, there is this for your edification. Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf (fairus.org)
As far as legal immigrants/visa holders there is this. White-Collar Visa Workers Take 2/3 of New Tech Jobs Each Year – [your]NEWS
The welfare not being immediately forthcoming is just a matter of semantics. Free health care services, food, education etc etc whether it is called welfare or not. You can easily refer back to the Fiscal burden article.

You say paying taxes is a deeply patriotic duty. What do you say about the millions and billions of taxpayer dollars being given to foreign entities and domestic entities in this recent relief bill that has nothing to do with the Chinese Virus? Is it patriotic on the part of the politicians to take from patriotic Americans who pay their taxes dutifully and then give to such causes? Is that patriotic? Does it strengthen America somehow?
 

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You may not be anti-immigration? Every time we’ve had dialog about legal immigration you do insist we have too much legal immigration at present (literally you just posted a complaint about legal visa holders in your response) and would rather we go back to economically choking low numbers of visas. I have more than 25 years in IT as a career. Lack of both qualified local candidates and visas is choking the industry out of the states and taking innovation/capital/patents overseas with it. I’ve covered this with you in numerous threads. But I’m intellectually dishonest? Okay. This is how I don’t understand you. You called me intellectually dishonest (agitation) and follow quickly with links from highly biased sources (propaganda). I just don’t understand the agitprop and divisiveness it brings to a pro-2A community. Why? What’s the endgame here?


I do believe I said I mutter and grumble but still see at as a patriotic duty to pay them.

Yep, I definitely said that.
You'll have to forgive me but I don't recall dialoging with you about legal immigration. You'll have to pull some of those examples out to prove you are accurate on that. As far as me referring to the visa holders in this particular thread, I did that to highlight the difference between legal and illegal and possibly get you to acknowledge the differences. It worked to an extent didn't it?
The information in those articles I posted is accurate. Read the name of the thread and follow along and you will see what my end game is. In my opinion this nation is being destroyed and illegal immigrants as well as so called "refugees" have been weaponized to kill our Constitutional Republic. The end game is to share information. I did that in the appropriate forum. If it bothers you move along and ignore.
 
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