Elementary School - Finally happened...

Discussion in 'Places Off-Limits' started by Tinkerhell, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

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    I live in Jones county - pretty rural and laid back about guns. For the last couple of years I've carried open & concealed to pick my child up from after school care in the afternoons. I know the ladies that are usually in charge so no one has ever said anything to me about it. This summer my kids are doing a summer camp at the school (done by the school) and I've been drop dropping them off and picking them up this week. Different teachers are running it. This morning one asked me the obligatory "Are you an officer" question. "Nope". She proceeded to tell me the school was off limits and I couldn't carry. I disagreed and said that the Ga Code says I can when dropping off or picking up. Then she advised I could still carry as long as I didn't come in the building. "no ma'am I believe you are incorrect. When I come get my kids this afternoon I'll be happy to bring a copy of the code to give to whoever told you to tell me not to do this." :)

    This afternoon I got a call from a Lt from JCSO to explain that it was illegal and please don't do it again. :handcuffs:

    We had conversation about the 16-11-127.1 and he said he didn't have internet where he was calling from so he couldn't read the sections but regardless if the school principle & county superintendent have declared no weapons in the building then there will be no weapons in the building! :bat:
    I politely informed him that he was mistaken and that if state law says the building is legal then it is and the Prin nor the Super can make up their own laws and overrule state law (yeah I know sometimes that is permissible, not in this case) and any such notion was :bsflag:.
    He ended up with saying that this was going to be "written up" and "on file" and if I go back in the school with a gun I'll get cited with something or other , I forget exactly what he told me it would be and could be :jail:. I advised that perhaps he should get the law pulled up and then we could talk about it.

    He said he would look up the section and call me back. :lol:

    About ten minutes later I get another call. He still tells me I'm wrong. That under c(7) I can pick up & drop off but can't go in the building. I asked him how he gets that when that section specifically states "school safety zone" which is defined in (3) as being real property or BUILDING.

    At this point we pause in the conversation for a short silent interlude while he ponders the question. Then he comes back with "Well that's not what they taught us in (whatever class he went to about this stuff)" and says he is kinda surprised at that. He then realizes that I appear to actually know what I'm talking about and might have a leg to stand on (not saying I actually do on either point but...) and says what he'll do is call the DA about this today and get back to me. :wink:

    I agreed I'd not tote in the school again until I hear back assuming he gets back to me in a reasonable amount of time.

    So. When someone calls back and says that's not what things mean I'll insist on something in writing. Then I guess I'll see where things go from there.

    Fun times!!

    P.S. I will give the guy a break in that he did sort of kinda know the laws (and I have zero doubts that he has been told to enforce them this way) and was familiar with what just changed for colleges and such. Nice enough as well once he figured out I wasn't just the lower end fella who wants to be a hard head and carry his gun everywhere he pleases.

    I'm at least a middle end fella who wants to carry everywhere. :rotfl:
     
  2. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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  3. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    You seem to have a good grasp of the code section.
     
  4. Tinkerhell

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    Without question.

    Should I get arrested? Ya know, take one for the team and all that! Get a good solid case set up to go to court with. :lol:
    I'm Johnny clean and an upstanding member of the local community, I'm a church trustee (and security) good career and I bath regularly!!
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, good grasp, indeed.
     
  6. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

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    My two favorite people to see paying attention to my posts!! I'm honored guys.
     
  7. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Good for you. Glad you live in a place where the first impulse is not to make a MWAG call or have them waiting for you. Unfortunately I've had similar conversations on other issues with peace officers that were misinformed by whomever was training them. More irritating is the school attitude that they can make up rules that somehow override GA law (ref. current Henry County case at the GA Supreme Court over self-defense by a student).
     
  8. Tinkerhell

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    Yep. I about choked when the Lt tried to tell me the Prin & Super have decided that. The instant I called BS on that he gave it up. ROFL.

    I WISH I was more comfortable talking with the police. I get so excited and nervous that I get a bit short of breath and stammer a little. :oops: Toastmasters needs a side class on talking with "authority" persons. I can stand up in a room full of people with no problem. Talking with "The Man" gets me anxious. :panic:
    Too many years of being scared to death of cops as a kid I guess. They could give me speeding tickets!!
     
  9. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    You're not alone on the anxiety response. Unfortunately, the school employs many of the local peace officers for a variety of things and so many of them feel that they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.
     
  10. Tinkerhell

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    Got a call back from the Lt.
    Carry not allowed per assistant DA.
    He didn't go into "why" just that was what the ADA advised and that I could call her with questions.

    Needless to say I have questions. I'm waiting her return call now.
     
  11. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    I would not be surprised if the wait is interminable.
     
  12. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Apparently someone hasn't been keeping up with their CLEs. Thanks for keeping us informed.
     
  13. Tinkerhell

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    Apparently not. :)

    Now, when I called the DA's office it is a bit odd to me that the voice mail does not list the persons name that I was given (she is an ADA though according to some local news articles). But I left a message and I'm checking around for another way to reach this person directly. According to the Lt "she'd be happy to talk with me". For some reason I doubt this. hehehe.
     
  14. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    A person who is a member of the State Bar of GA (www.gabar.org) should not be too hard to find.
     
  15. Scout706

    Scout706 Well-Known Member

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    Me too.
     
  16. N.T.F.S.

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    Just out of curiosity, did you record any of the conversations?
     
  17. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    I wonder if more folks carried openly in elementary and high school safety zones when picking up and dropping off students, if the General Assembly will then view it as no big deal for us to carry there at any other time when we have legitimate business.
     
  18. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    The district attorney's office, or any other government agency, can ask the Attorney General of the state of Georgia to issue an opinion. The AG's office won't do this for private citizens, but they will do it for a government agent.

    What you learned from the assistant DA is just his or her personal opinion. It doesn't mean the elected DA (the boss of the entire office) agrees with it or is willing to prosecute such a case.

    But I don't think any district attorneys office or solicitors office would attempt to prosecute something which the Attorney General's office says --in an official opinion--is not a crime.

    So, if we are confident of our interpretation of the law, maybe we should ask the DAs Office to have the AG weigh in on the matter.
     
  19. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    As I've said before, I think that the exception even applies to carrying in the school building *if and only if * going into the school building on foot is part of the standard procedure for picking up or dropping off students.