[UtiPossidetis]

After watching 5 ....people at my range the other day with zero understanding of even the most basic of rules, or even manners, it occurred to me that I do not have a trauma kit in my range bag.

Do folks carry a small trauma kit in their range bag? If so, what do you include in the kit?

Thanks.

 

[Solomon_G]

That's a good question.

They have small kits...i was thinking on buying one of these.

http://www.theemsstore.com/store/pr...content=1322&gclid=CKKTuoSI1s0CFVAjgQodWi8E1Q

 

[UtiPossidetis]

I ordered one of these from Amazon. The quick clot seemed like an essential. Not sure if its sufficient, but it will be more than I have carried to date.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003BS2PW4

 

[TimBob]

UtiP, was this at at public or private range? Most private ranges require training/orientation.

But, to answer your question, yes, take a trauma kit to the range with you!

 

[UtiPossidetis]

UtiP, was this at at public or private range? Most private ranges require training/orientation.

But, to answer your question, yes, take a trauma kit to the range with you!

Gun store/Range and the folks dealt with the 5 people but I'm not going to stay on the line and wait.

What do you have in your trauma kit?

 

[AtlPhilip]

To be frank, I have no idea how to use it if I had one. Perhaps our various chapters should hold classes on "what to do if someone gets shot". Surely we have people skilled enough do do some train the trainer or a youtube video.

 

[UtiPossidetis]

To be frank, I have no idea how to use it if I had one. Perhaps our various chapters should hold classes on "what to do if someone gets shot". Surely we have people skilled enough do do some train the trainer or a youtube video.

Sounds like a great idea. Basics are staunch the flow, call 911, keep warm, etc. But training would be great that is specific to immediate care for a gun shot wound.

 

[tmoore912]

A tourniquet needs to be in any trauma kit. Relatively inexpensive.

http://darkangelmedical.com/

Doctors urge Americans to learn tourniquet use

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...urge-americans-learn-tourniquet-use/86000754/

For decades, tourniquets were treated as a tool of last resort over fears that applying a tight band around a wounded arm or leg could cause long-term nerve and muscle damage. But military studies based on battlefield injuries in Iraq showed tourniquets are highly effective when used properly. A study based on military use on hundreds of American and Iraqi soldiers published in 2008 is widely credited with spurring civilian doctors and paramedics to reconsider their position.

Tourniquets work by stopping someone from "bleeding out," a common cause of death from injury, said Lenworth Jacobs, director of the Trauma Institute at Hartford Hospital in Connecticut. Stopping the bleeding buys someone time to get surgical help. During a mass shooting, police officers fighting an armed gunman may not have time to attend to the injured.

 

[Adam5]

That's a good question.

They have small kits...i was thinking on buying one of these.

http://www.theemsstore.com/store/pr...content=1322&gclid=CKKTuoSI1s0CFVAjgQodWi8E1Q

That one is basically useless, except for an extremity injury. All is it is gauze and a tourniquet.

You will at least need something with QuickClot or equivalent for a torso hit.

 

[Solomon_G]

That one is basically useless, except for an extremity injury. All is it is gauze and a tourniquet.

You will at least need something with QuickClot or equivalent for a torso hit.

It will slow the bleeding, apply pressure to wound.
Only needs to last until an ambulance gets there.

Unless your going out on your own into the unknown....lol

it was just a glance anyway...i don't have one, but seen a video where a guy was saying it is good to have it.

Didn't extensively look though.

 

[Nemo]

I bought some of those quick clot pack and other bloodstopper items. I opened them and examined and tested them. They work reasonably well but for most larger caliber gunshot wounds I would be happy with a couple tampons.

They are designed to go into the wound channel and control bleeding and stop excess blood flow. Super clean and nearly sterile when packaged and they can absorb a rather large amount of blood. My edc carry small get home kit (designed for less than 50 mile get home) has 4. If I need more than that, I am already bled out.

Unless you have actually ever taken one from the packaging and examined it, really examined it, you should. Ask your wife for one and if she wonders why tell her I told or dared you to.

Nemo

 

[UtiPossidetis]

I was thinking of adding a 7th generation CAT(Combat Application Tourniquet, C-A-T) from North American Rescue. Are there advantages to the SWAT-T over the CAT?

 

[phaed]

nope. there's one in my vehicle though.

 

[MedicOxford]

So...here's my 2 cents on trauma kits. I've been in EMS in an urban setting for almost 10 years. We carry tourniquets. I have never used one. I think, this is just my opinion, that they are good when needed. I've run lots and lots of shootings, stabbings, MVCs and I have always been able to control bleeding on an extremity.
I have seen bystanders (even some police officers) use commercial tourniquets, but on injuries that it did not need a tq. The military study quoted previously, much of their data came from blast injuries (which is a whole different ball game).

As far as combat gauze or quickclot, we don't carry it. Quick clot has exothermic properties and can cause burns and contaminate the wound. Trauma surgeons don't like it. Combat gauze does not cause burns, and is a little better in my opinion. But, if you use either of those, remember just because you stopped the bleeding externally, they are probably still bleeding internally.

With that said, I do carry a tq in my bag. I carry gauze and ACE wraps (for a pressure dressing). Bandaids, gloves, duct tape, alcohol wipes, and a large bore needle for chest decompressions.

If I was way out in the woods or in the middle if no where, I might add combat gauze or the like...

 

[phaed]

...Quick clot has exothermic properties and can cause burns and contaminate the wound. Trauma surgeons don't like it...

i've always wondered what medical professionals thought about that stuff. they're the ones that have to deal with it after the fact. i didn't know they could cause burns.

 

[MedicOxford]

We had one cop pour it on his calf where he was shot at, he really didn't need it, but what people are taught is "if you're shot, pour this on the wound."
He ended up having way more surgery than he needed for a simple through and through to the calf...

 

[TITAN308]

I don't stay at a range where people are being unsafe.

Best trauma kit ever.

 

[UtiPossidetis]

I don't stay at a range where people are being unsafe.

Best trauma kit ever.

As I said previously, that is part of what made me realize I didn't have one. I left, but how able are we to monitor the actions of every other shooter on the line while we are shooting?

I've noticed that I stand back and watch new shooters FAR more than anyone else I have observed at my range. Still, I know that I could miss something along the way.

Accidents are often unpredictable events and hence my adding a trauma kit to my range bag.

 

[Solomon_G]

I don't stay at a range where people are being unsafe.

Best trauma kit ever.

I would agree with you there, however.....even safe minded people can have an accident.

How are you going to leave before that happens?

 

[Darklock]

I carry two CAT tourniquets, chest seal, s-rolled gauze (for wound packing),nasal airway,Israeli bandage,sterile 4x4s, gauze, gloves,& trauma shears. No quikclot, for the same reason as stated above.