Did Libertarians Elect Biden?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by Nemo, Nov 15, 2020.

  1. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Some arguments for that. And some have a bit of validity. Remove spaces from the link. Its inappropriate for that and about anything else from there. But worth a click and read.

    Seems Libertarians might be starting to be a viable party requiring some attention.

    Nemo


    https://www.vox. com/21561230/libertarian-party-third-party-2020-election


     
  2. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    Trump's actions and attitude elected Biden. He embraced the extreme right and abandoned the middle. That’s what cost him the election.
     

  3. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    What do you mean "embraced the extreme right?"
    The mainsteam news media says all conservatives are extremists.
    Who are the "extremists" Donald Trump "embraced" and what makes you put them on the extreme right wing side of the political spectrum?

    I think Trump's support for right wing causes is mediocre at best. He's more of a populist than a true conservative ideologue.
     
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  4. Bkite

    Bkite PawPaw x 3

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    What actions did Trump take that "the middle" found distasteful exactly.
    There was another thread in which it was suggested that Trump's brashness, crudeness, and lack of tongue control cost him the election. I disagreed respectfully with that poster and I respectfully disagree with you here. Are "middle" Republicans code word for those who do not mind giving the left a mile and getting an inch in return thereby claiming some type of "victory" to those who stay politically, socially ignorant. I guess another word would be those Republicans who are satisfied with capitulation after capitulation after capitulation. I will point out that there are not many at all, if any, reports of voter fraud, ballot harvesting, strategic last minute rule changing, etc., involving Republican votes/voters. Record numbers voted for Trump. His make America great again message resonated with millions upon millions. Forces who desire to see the creation of something other than a sovereign US of A guided by something other than the Constitution which has an economic system other than Capitalism have, day in and day out, since before Trump was elected, spun, twisted, lied about, blocked damn near everything the man said and did.
     
  5. Bkite

    Bkite PawPaw x 3

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    Depends on which way the Libertarians voted had they not been able to vote libertarian. That is to say if there were only 2 choices. The very important small difference in Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would have been overcome IF every one of the libertarians voted for Trump. I just looked at a few States Trump won and the difference by which he took the States exceeded that number cast by Libertarians. Who knows. What we do know is that the Political and global elites, whose apple cart has been disrupted to a great extent since Trump has been in office, were successful in their attempt to steal this election via voter fraud, theft, misinformation etc.
     
  6. HJB

    HJB Active Member

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    Trump cost himself this election. It should have been a landslide in his favor.
     
  7. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Libertarians are complete assholes and utterly stupid if they can't see the damage that "free trade" and open immigration will do and have done to this country. Or any country for that matter.
     
  8. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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    Trump deserves some of the blame. I mean Biden hunkered done in his basement for the vast majority of the campaign and barely did any campaigning until the very end and he has won or so it appears. We will know for sure when the electoral college meets next month.
     
  9. ICP_Juggalo

    ICP_Juggalo Professional Troll

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    This is what it all boils down to. This was Trump’s election to lose. Blame it on the Libertarians or on the Left trying “steal” the election, but in the end if Trump wasn’t able to pull out an absolute majority, then he has only himself to blame. The numbers will reflect that once the recounts are done. More people voted in the Republican down ballot races than they did for Trump. Sounds to me that this election was more about testament to how people within his own party felt about him and it wasn’t very highly.

    Does it matter?? I can tell you this Libertarian would have just not voted at all if there wasn’t a 3rd candidate on the ballot and so would many others. Political parties don’t own votes and I’m not obligated to give either one mine just because you think there shouldn’t be a 3rd option on the ballot. Either run a better candidate that appeals to the LP vote or vote harder next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  10. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Y'all think Biden is getting sworn in on 1/20/21?
     
  11. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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  12. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    He has to be. If he is not, there is no President and Harris could not go up from her VP slot. He might not make it to Candelmas Day but thats not a problem from their viewpoint.

    I think it would require an election of the new Prez by the House and VP by the Senate.

    Nemo
     
  13. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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    There are too many voters today that vote on personalities instead of policies.
     
  14. jrm

    jrm Sledgehammer

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    Trump banned bump stocks and pistol braces. That alone drove a lot people I know to vote elsewhere.
     
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  15. dhaller

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    This election was basically a "red tide" except for Trump's loss.

    Republicans gained in the House, probably have maintained Senate control (unless Georgia sees an unprecedented double incumbent loss), and made sweeping gains in state legislatures. They made gains in minority votes.

    Biden didn't win; Trump *lost*. All he had to do was shut up and drift with the tide and he would have won, but he decided to *act*, and so he lost.

    (Same with his business interests, by the way. If you analyze Trump's businesses, every business he's *actively* managed has failed: the casinos, for example. His golf courses lose money. Ergo, six bankruptcies. His only "success" has been passive income from the sale of his brand. Indeed, if you run a scenario in which he just put his inherited money in index funds at time of receipt, he would be FAR wealthier now, just by *not doing anything*. The man is an incompetent, and is fully responsible for LOSING this piece-of-cake, how-can-anyone-lose race against Biden.)

    Most of the Trump supporters I know support him for ONE reason: abortion. They want a Supreme Court which will overturn Roe vs. Wade. That's it. That also turns off the moderates.

    DH
     
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  16. HJB

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    Well that doesn't sound like a very smart decision to me.

    Trump bans bump stocks so go vote for the guy that wants to ban AR-15's, drive up taxes on all guns and ammunition and wants to eliminate the 2nd amendment ? I really have to question their intelligence.
     
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  17. Bkite

    Bkite PawPaw x 3

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    Concurrence.
     
  18. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    Not voting for Trump doesn’t mean voting for Biden.
     
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  19. Bkite

    Bkite PawPaw x 3

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    Well, yes, mathematically speaking it does. It is just indirect.
     
  20. Bkite

    Bkite PawPaw x 3

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    Hmmm. Good response. Very insightful.
     
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