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Should those who oppose TSA excesses be ‘prohibited persons’ for gun ownership?

A Transportation Security Administration directive by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claiming “full support of the President†classifies “any person who ‘interferes’ with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, ‘including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day’ as a ‘domestic extremist.’â€

That’s according to Douglas Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network, who reports that this information is from a classified memo and, because of that, it “cannot be posted or published†in full.

The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source†that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
Much more at link: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-n ... -ownership

Guys, its starting. Cause the TSA any bother at the porno scanner or groping and you will be labeled a "domestic extremist." The anti-freedom groups have stated that they want these lists to be used to limit gun ownership. Scary stuff.

Also, remember to click on all the blue links in the article.
 

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DHS & TSA: Making a list, checking it twice

Following the publication of my article titled “Gate Rape of America,†I was contacted by a source within the DHS who is troubled by the terminology and content of an internal memo reportedly issued yesterday at the hand of DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano. Indeed, both the terminology and content contained in the document are troubling. The dissemination of the document itself is restricted by virtue of its classification, which prohibits any manner of public release. While the document cannot be posted or published, the more salient points are revealed here.

The memo, which actually takes the form of an administrative directive, appears to be the product of undated but recent high level meetings between Napolitano, John Pistole, head of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA),and one or more of Obama’s national security advisors. This document officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as “domestic extremists.â€
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/30286

Opt-out and be put on the Domestic Extremists List.
 

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EJR914 said:
Should those who oppose TSA excesses be ‘prohibited persons’ for gun ownership?

A Transportation Security Administration directive by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claiming “full support of the President†classifies “any person who ‘interferes’ with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, ‘including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day’ as a ‘domestic extremist.’â€

That’s according to Douglas Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network, who reports that this information is from a classified memo and, because of that, it “cannot be posted or published†in full.

The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source†that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
Much more at link: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-n ... -ownership

Guys, its starting. Cause the TSA any bother at the porno scanner or groping and you will be labeled a "domestic extremist." The anti-freedom groups have stated that they want these lists to be used to limit gun ownership. Scary stuff.

Also, remember to click on all the blue links in the article.
Congressman Ron Paul on the House Floor gave clear, vocal support to opt-out day. I guess he's in trouble with Napolitano now.

Question is, does either she or Obama have the courage, honesty, and integrity to tell Rep. Paul to his face that he's a domestic extremist?
 

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Congressman Ron Paul on the House Floor gave clear, vocal support to opt-out day. I guess he's in trouble with Napolitano now.

Question is, does she have the courage, honesty, and integrity to tell Rep. Paul to his face that he's a domestic extremist?
In case you didn't know, Ron Paul supporters were automatically put on the list, and a few of them have had some pretty bad things happen to them because of their support. You are de facto a domestic extremist if you support Dr. Paul.

There is some good documentation around the net if you look hard enough. If I run into it I'll post it.
 

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Phil1979 said:
Congressman Ron Paul on the House Floor gave clear, vocal support to opt-out day. I guess he's in trouble with Napolitano now.

Question is, does she have the courage, honesty, and integrity to tell Rep. Paul to his face that he's a domestic extremist?
In case you didn't know, Ron Paul supporters were automatically put on the list, and a few of them have had some pretty bad things happen to them because of their support. You are de facto a domestic extremist if you support Dr. Paul.

There is some good documentation around the net if you look hard enough. If I run into it I'll post it.
Thanks EJR. In case anyone out there reading this had any doubt, I believe that Dr. Paul is a Great American Patriot!
 

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Why aren't the TSA searches against our 4th amendment rights? Why isn't a warrant required to search us like that? You know, I don't mind going through the scanner things at the court house, but the TSA is overstepping the bounds of decency. That's why I'll be driving or taking a train if I need to travel.
 

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Why aren't the TSA searches against our 4th amendment rights? Why isn't a warrant required to search us like that? You know, I don't mind going through the scanner things at the court house, but the TSA is overstepping the bounds of decency. That's why I'll be driving or taking a train if I need to travel.
Airports are just the warm-up to get the sheep used to having their rights and decency violated.

Trains and buses are next if they are allowed to go forward with their agenda.
 

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Phil1979 said:
Melissa5 said:
Why aren't the TSA searches against our 4th amendment rights? Why isn't a warrant required to search us like that? You know, I don't mind going through the scanner things at the court house, but the TSA is overstepping the bounds of decency. That's why I'll be driving or taking a train if I need to travel.
Airports are just the warm-up to get the sheep used to having their rights and decency violated.

Trains and buses are next if they are allowed to go forward with their agenda.
I don't ever travel more than 500 miles from home. Looks like I'm gonna be driving everywhere from now on.
 

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Should those who oppose TSA excesses be ‘prohibited persons’ for gun ownership?

A Transportation Security Administration directive by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano claiming “full support of the President†classifies “any person who ‘interferes’ with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, ‘including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day’ as a ‘domestic extremist.’â€

That’s according to Douglas Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network, who reports that this information is from a classified memo and, because of that, it “cannot be posted or published†in full.

The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source†that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
Much more at link: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-n ... -ownership

Guys, its starting. Cause the TSA any bother at the porno scanner or groping and you will be labeled a "domestic extremist." The anti-freedom groups have stated that they want these lists to be used to limit gun ownership. Scary stuff.

Also, remember to click on all the blue links in the article.
I didn't hear this quote from BIG SIS, but something very similar was chimed on Fox News from the Miami Head of TSA. So, yeah, the government is trying to lable those who don't sit down and shut up as terrorist. You dissint, then you end up in the guelogs.
 

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The assertion that an opt-out passenger will be considered a domestic terrorist is a game-changer. Between the veiled threat of taking away gun rights as a consequence of refusing to have others trampled and the announcement of a proposal to introduce invasive security practices on trains, boats, and subway systems, I'm left with a sinking sensation of dread. The police state has just taken off the gloves and is no longer in the dark lurking in the shadows but fearlessly out in the open. And it is playing for keeps.
 

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This administration is on track to become a landmark in the hisory of America.

In less than 2 years, they have dismissed the 4th Amendment. If we have the audacity to protest these violations we get a nifty place on "the list", handily squashing our 1st Amendment rights.
And... a place on said list could clearly be used as a simply method to invalidate our 2nd Amendment rights.

That has got to be a record, a true landmark in American history... and think - they have
two more years to run... imagine what they can do.
 

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This administration is on track to become a landmark in the hisory of America.

In less than 2 years, they have dismissed the 4th Amendment. If we have the audacity to protest these violations we get a nifty place on "the list", handily squashing our 1st Amendment rights.
And... a place on said list could clearly be used as a simply method to invalidate our 2nd Amendment rights.

That has got to be a record, a true landmark in American history... and think - they have
two more years to run... imagine what they can do.
I completely agree with moga as well.

However, this all is just coming to a head right now with a president that believes in the Socialist Police State. This has been in the works for decades. Its called Incrementalism. They did this tiny little 4th amendment violation... people grumbled, but forgot about it... then they did it again, so on and so forth, and nobody said a thing. If the government keeps this up, and doesn't give in to pressure, we will forget about it as well, and this will become common place. Once the children born today, are used to this level of constitutional violation and intimidation, it will become common place for them as well.

That's how the Overton Window and Incrementalism works. Its worked before in our history... within the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Check out the Overton Window at the link above.
 

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The TSA has waived civil liberties and is now keeping a list of political enemies, yet it is still wrong to compare them to Nazis?

Saturday morning about 10 a.m. a phone call was placed from Hitler in Munich to Göring in Berlin with the prearranged code word 'Kolibri' (hummingbird) that unleashed a wave of murderous violence in Berlin and over 20 other cities. SS execution squads along with Göring's private police force roared through the streets hunting down SA leaders and anyone on the prepared list of political enemies (known as the Reich List of Unwanted Persons).
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htm
 

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You know, EJR, it's things like this that make me want to go up to my wife and yell, "See!? THIS is why you and I should talk about this EVERY day!" She doesn't like to talk about it much, maybe once a week max, because she "can't do anything about it" and because it "makes her mad and she doesn't have time for that". I'm sure that's what most people say. I think we've come to the point where it's pay attention, or you and your children will suffer. In actuality, it came to that point generations ago.
 

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Phil1979 said:
Melissa5 said:
Why aren't the TSA searches against our 4th amendment rights? Why isn't a warrant required to search us like that? You know, I don't mind going through the scanner things at the court house, but the TSA is overstepping the bounds of decency. That's why I'll be driving or taking a train if I need to travel.
Airports are just the warm-up to get the sheep used to having their rights and decency violated.

Trains and buses are next if they are allowed to go forward with their agenda.
I don't ever travel more than 500 miles from home. Looks like I'm gonna be driving everywhere from now on.
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Considering all the freedoms we just "won" in GA legislation, I don't much like traveling out of state anyway. Why would I want to leave a state that now allows me to carry almost everywhere I go?
 

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The TSA has waived civil liberties and is now keeping a list of political enemies, yet it is still wrong to compare them to Nazis?

Saturday morning about 10 a.m. a phone call was placed from Hitler in Munich to Göring in Berlin with the prearranged code word 'Kolibri' (hummingbird) that unleashed a wave of murderous violence in Berlin and over 20 other cities. SS execution squads along with Göring's private police force roared through the streets hunting down SA leaders and anyone on the prepared list of political enemies (known as the Reich List of Unwanted Persons).
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htm
I don't think it has anything to do with it being wrong to compare them, its the fact that these people have the "It can't happen here" mentality. As if somehow America is not subject to the dangers of an all powerful government taking away the rights of its citizens.

Also, people think that there is no way American's economy or our dollar can crash, as if the theories of economics do not apply here. Its complete madness, both of them.

People need to stop being :sleep: and :sheep: There is no magic bubble around the US that will keep us safe. It can happen here and it will if more people don't wake up. All of my family and friends are still asleep as well.

Rah45, I completely agree. Its very uncomfortable for people to wake up, look around, and really see what is happening here. I understand that. I understand that people do not want to come to grips with the reality of our situation. They don't want to admit it, and they think that We The People cannot do anything about it anyway. There is no magic bubble around us. Bad things can and will happen in America if We The People do not wake up and stand up to the people in power.

My wife is starting to wake up, thank goodness, it only took three years. Now she voted for the first time, and I'll be glad to say she got to vote an almost completely Libertarian ticket the first time she voted. Not that voting is going to fix this thing. 95% of America is still very much asleep.
 

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BG_Atl said:
This administration is on track to become a landmark in the hisory of America.

In less than 2 years, they have dismissed the 4th Amendment. If we have the audacity to protest these violations we get a nifty place on "the list", handily squashing our 1st Amendment rights.
And... a place on said list could clearly be used as a simply method to invalidate our 2nd Amendment rights.

That has got to be a record, a true landmark in American history... and think - they have
two more years to run... imagine what they can do.
I agree. The downward spiral seemed to start with the passage of the PATRIOT ACT by W.
 

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Its very uncomfortable for people to wake up, look around, and really see what is happening here. I understand that. I understand that people do not want to come to grips with the reality of our situation.
Our nation has a virus. Where's McCarthy when you need him?

EJR914 said:
That's how the Overton Window and Incrementalism works. Its worked before in our history... within the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Check out the Overton Window at the link above.
Cliff notes, (incremental normalization).

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The TSA has [s:2uuq5mol]waived[/s:2uuq5mol] eradicated civil liberties and is now keeping a list of political enemies, yet it is still wrong to compare them to Nazis?
I'd say it's even worse. Within a so-called "sterile zone" (sterilized of individual rights), one no longer has ownership of their very body. If you'll notice, there's also an effort underway to expand the size of that "sterile zone".

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
It is well-established that there is no obligation to physically protect an individual (unless they are in custody, that is, are a ward of the state). There is obviously no longer any obligation to carry out the empowering charter, which is to protect the rights of the individual. The "checks and balances" have been removed and the empowered entity is concerned only with expanding its own interests, power and influence.

The Vault of Liberty has been raided and "golden prize" of "power granted to protect the individual" has been stolen, melted down and re-fashioned into the iron hammer of tyranny. Power corrupts and we see the results. Even Supreme Court Justices publicy state that they should use the power of their Bench to mold society into what they think is best rather than carry out their sacred Duty, and no one is outraged.

I want my Federal government back.

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I agree. The downward spiral seemed to start with the passage of the PATRIOT ACT by W.
 
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