DeKalb blames gun law on ballooning security costs

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  1. GoDores

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    DeKalb blames gun law on ballooning security costs

    Aside from the terrible AJC headline (the way it currently reads is that security costs caused a gun law), we all know this is utter nonsense. There was nothing in HB60 requiring anyone to have any armed guards anywhere. I'm curious what will be added by AJC "later" on their pay site. I'm also interested in seeing the actual minutes and vote on this action, which aren't yet available on the DeKalb BOC web site.
     
  2. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Go Dores, the old law made all government buildings off-limits, regardless of what kind of security and screening they had (or didn't have).
    The new law says that GWL holders can carry in most government buildings UNLESS they have secured / restricted entrances.

    So YES, the change in the law forces local governments to spend more money and take these additional steps to maintain the building as a place off-limits to private citizens with guns, the way that building always had been in the past.

    (At least now, with screening, it's not so easy for a bad guy to flaunt the law and just carry concealed whenever and wherever he wants to.)
     

  3. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Keep in mind, too, that HB 60 made it clear as a matter of statutory law that a cop, upon seeing some citizen with a gun-shaped bulge under his shirt or in his pants, CANNOT demand such person show his carry permit.
    Perhaps DeKalb County had been counting on their officers' ability to stop any and all persons suspected of being armed in a government building under the pre-HB 60 law, if the gun-toters were sloppy about how they carried.
     
  4. Savannah Dan

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    NO, the change in the law did not force local governments to spend more money and take additional steps to maintain the building as a place off-limits to private citizens with guns, the way that building always had been in the past, because it was off-limits in theory only. It never was off-limits to criminals, in reality.
     
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  5. GoDores

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    If a local government chooses to defy the intent of the legislature and keep private citizens with GWCLs out of government buildings, they can add screening and do so, but absolutely nothing in HB60 or any other law requires them to have any screening or pay any money for additional security.

    If they were screening private citizens at government buildings prior to HB60, there's no reason the cost to do so would have changed. If they weren't, they weren't keeping them "off-limits" to guns. They decided of their own accord to add that restriction and the associated costs.
     
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  6. Malum Prohibitum

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    Bingo. Anyway to comment on the AJC?
     
  7. AtlPhilip

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  9. GoDores

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    DeKalb BOC meetings are recorded and posted online. This link should take you to the video and start at the point where the motion for additional security spending is discussed and voted on:
    http://dekalbcountyga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1916&meta_id=182239

    After watching it and listening to the police chief's comments, I'm not sure the issue has anything at all to do with screening. He basically said they were paying more per hour because some government buildings requested to go from unarmed to armed guards. There's nothing in HB60 that indicates security personnel have to be armed to do any screening and the chief's comments didn't even mention screening. The unarmed guards could have been screening (or not), and the more expensive armed guards still may not be screening.

    The most direct reading of the chief's explanation is that some government workers were afraid they'd suddenly be around legal guns, so they spent money to bring in different legal guns, either to protect them from the other legal guns or so they only have to be around these legal guns and not those legal guns. The logic is not easy to follow.

    Sadly, the vote to approve was unanimous, and no one questioned the need for additional security, including my commissioner who is known for being a budget and waste hawk.
     
  10. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    To maintain the status quo of legally off-limits government buildings, counties will have to spend more $ on security.

    It’s like the “individual mandate” for Obamacare.
    Gov’t making you do something, and spend money you didn’t want, to keep the status quo.
     
  11. Dawgdoc

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    Did anyone notice in the AJC article that it prominently features a picture of the Dekalb Courthouse?

    Since HB60 did not affect courthouses in any way, and the courthouse remains a prohibited location to GWCL holders, I'm sure the reporter will be issuing a clarification about the matter. The picture is huge, but the caption indicating the courthouse is off limits is small, leading one to think that all that security at the courthouse is to prevent legal gun toters. I wonder how much of the increased security budget went to the courthouse, which would have presumably been increased regardless of HB60?
     
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  12. TimBob

    TimBob Old, Slow, Boring Dude

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    VERY common tactic by the left: show a photo that appears to be relevant, but really has nothing to do with the point they are trying to make. Deception 101.

    I saw on a news program today a photo of an NFL team kneeling. But the story was actually about the Georgia/Alabama game last night...

    Misleading, to say the least.
     
  13. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Why didn't Dekalb County use armed guards at their government buildings before HB-60? Were they just trusting pre-HB-60 law to keep the armed criminals out?

    It seems sort of reckless to trust words on paper to keep you safe. If they need armed guards now, it means they also needed them before. Same, same. Therefore, no increase in cost, just business as usual, right?

    Why can't "journalists" ask government officials these sorts of questions? Don't they teach this any longer in journalism classes?
     
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  14. AtlPhilip

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    People have done it for millennia. Magic spells uttered in a "place of power" and inscribed on special paper with ceremonial pens. Shelves full of these magic scrolls stored in ornate buildings to be interpreted only by the enlightened ones.

    Ironically, we declare our ancestors were primitive for such behavior.
     
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  15. UtiPossidetis

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    Phil, just FYI journalism is dead and gone.
     
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  16. SleepyDragonfly

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    I just looked at the article and it shows no comments. Did they delete your verbatim comment?
     
  17. AtlPhilip

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    It's there. Did you expand the comments section? They don't actually want people to find it.
     
  18. Glockenator

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    I thought the same thing too, at first. The comments aren't plainly displayed. You have to click on "View comments" toward the bottom of the page, to see them.

    edit: I was typing my reply as AtlPhilip was.
     
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  19. DonT

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    Dekalb County is using the exact same (non)logic that Cobb County was using, when they passed the $1.2 million security upgrade to the BOC building in 2015, that was to include screening being added. However, for one reason and another, there is still no armed security screening in place at the Cobb BOC building, 3 1/2 years after HB 60 was passed. This is the nonlogic, that it is the great unwashed legally armed civilians that are the problem, not the illegally carrying bad guys. You can explain the history of mass shootings, all of which occur almost exclusively in gun free zones, you can explain that carry license holders are the most law abiding of our citizens, and these people just look at you and say..."We're doing it anyway."
     
  20. DonT

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    Just to add, I agree with GoDores, it is very unclear based on the video meeting segment, that there is actual screening going on. The lady commissioner asked if the armed security guards were in fact screening out armed citizens, and the police chief simply didn't answer her question. It's anyone's guess if they actually screen, or just have armed security walking around and hoping to catch armed citizens open carrying. Is there anyone from Dekalb who is familiar with their security procedures there and who can describe that here?
     
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