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tace said:
Are you kiddin' me? I won't believe that ppl who did this to a boy are muslim, nor any other religion that worships God. Cause as wrong as it is to judge someone before god, these f':censored:s will burn in hell.

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The muslims over there have been teaching their own children to strap on bombs and blow themselves up to kill for decades. Why does their lack of any respect or mercy on someone else's child suprise anyone?
 

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budder said:
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Religion of peace, my ass. :evil:
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You know what their definition of "peace" is don't you?
The same as Christians during the Crusade?
Thank you, budder. :)

It's very hypocritical for Christians to make such comments in my view, considering the amount of blood that has been shed in the name of God and/or oil.

I know this is gonna sound wrong, but IMHO, it's actually not the religion but the ppl. There was a reason Islam was sent to the Arabs. They were burying their new born girls alive, raping, stealing and worshipping statues they created themselves. So, God gave them a last chance and sent them religion.

It seems after 500 years, it's not working out so well for some of them. It seems to me that they are still up to the same things before they were introduced to religion.
 

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I'm a fan of Dave Barry's explanation of the Middle East:
But how did the oil get in the Middle East in the first place? To answer that question, we must go back millions of years, to an era that geologists call the Voracious Period, when giant dinosaurs roamed the Earth, eating everything that stood in their path, except for broccoli, which they hated. And then, one fateful day (Oct. 8), a runaway asteroid, believed by scientists to be nearly twice the diameter of the late Orson Welles, slammed into the Earth and killed the dinosaurs, who by sheer bad luck all happened to be standing right where it landed. The massive impact turned the dinosaurs, via a process called photosynthesis, into oil; this oil was then gradually covered with a layer of sand, which in turn was gradually covered by a layer of people who hate each other, and thus the Middle East was formed.
 

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tace said:
It's very hypocritical . . .
Not really. I have previously posted the Koran verses relating to raping, maiming, and killing, and, given the firestorm it created, I will not do so again.

Hypocritical, though, typically refers to something someone is doing while telling others not to do it. It comes from a Greek word relating to playing a part on a stage.

Here is Merriam's definition:

a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
As I do not engage in spreading religion by the sword, there is absolutely nothing hypocritical in my statements criticising what the Koran teaches.

Since you are Muslim but also do not engage in spreading your religion by the sword, or other acts of violence in the name of Allah, then it is also not hypocritical for you to argue that your religion is not a religion of violence, since you are not feigning to believe something you do not believe.
 

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budder said:
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Religion of peace, my ass. :evil:
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You know what their definition of "peace" is don't you?
The same as Christians during the Crusade?
So let me get this straight. I can't ever criticize something because I did that same thing in my past?

If I killed somebody by driving drunk...but I no longer drive drunk...I'm not allowed to criticize drunk drivers?

Bull.

There's a big difference in recognizing and stopping past destructive behavior, and sanctioning it. A portion of Muslims have publicly declared that killing non-believers is their goal. It is undeniable. Does that make ALL Muslims bad...no it does not...at the same time, religion can be a powerful motivator for behavioral changes. Christians did find that out during the crusades et al, and took hundreds of years to learn from it. Which part of Islam will win? The hardliners that condone killing infidels...or the peaceful Muslims?
 

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pro2am said:
budder said:
JiG said:
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Religion of peace, my ass. :evil:
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You know what their definition of "peace" is don't you?
The same as Christians during the Crusade?
So let me get this straight. I can't ever criticize something because I did that same thing in my past?

If I killed somebody by driving drunk...but I no longer drive drunk...I'm not allowed to criticize drunk drivers?
But you do still drive drunk: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

M249, FSM > you.
 

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I believe tace said it best, it's not the various religions, it's the people who twist those religions to justify their own hatreds and cruelty.

Yes, there are some passages in the Koran that instruct followers to perform hateful acts, but there are equally reprehensible passages in the bible.

What course of action to take comes down to the major conflict that's been going on since time immoral. The conflict between the inherent good in most people vs. the evil in the few. Unfortunately, even good people can be led astray and convinced doing evil is acceptable behavior. All that's required is a good and believable reason justifying such behavior. Sadly, religion has been used to that end countless times the world over throughout human history.
 

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just gonna stay out of this one...
 

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Macktee said:
Yes, there are some passages in the Koran that instruct followers to perform hateful acts, but there are equally reprehensible passages in the bible.
The comparison is not even close to apt, Macktee, as I have demonstrated here before.

With that having been said, I do not think any member here is criticizing any other particular member on their religious beliefs/actions, except for perhaps pro2am, who is justly criticized for his personal participation in the Crusades.
 
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