Covington: Armed citizen shoots suspect fleeing from police; gets arrested

Discussion in 'Georgia Crime Reports' started by GoDores, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. GoDores

    GoDores Like a Boss

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    CPD confirms shot fired in morning incident

    Summary: Police try to pull over a speeding driver. Driver runs. He wrecks and flees on foot. An armed citizen sees the suspect and tries to catch him. The citizen ends up shooting and injuring the suspect. Police arrest both the suspect and the armed citizen.

    There's not enough information to know whether the shooting was justified, but if it was even debatably so, it sets a very bad precedent to punish a private citizen who's attempting to help the police.
     
  2. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    A new update says the citizen who shot him is not even born until December of next year.

    Charge = Agg assault
     

  3. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    I am not a cop. I will assist if asked otherwise I'll stay out of their way and let them do their job. The only time one should consider shooting is a mater of saving a life. If they are running away they are not my problem.
     
  4. Alabama Jones

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    From the information available at this time, I would say bad shoot.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I fail to understand how that statement is even relevant to this discussion.
     
  6. GAfirearmsReference

    GAfirearmsReference Weapons Law Booklet

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    bad shoot by armed citizen

    Covington, GA.

    A "good guy" uses his gun to shoot and wound a thug on the run from cops.
    Now he's in trouble. The thug wasn't armed and dangerous, other than being "dangerous" through reckless driving, and even then, he'd already crashed his car and bailed out and was fleeing on foot when the Good Samaritan fired, taking him down.

    Now the good Samaritan is under arrest.


    Marcus Pitts, age 47, is the armed citizen who got involved and fired without legal justification.

    33-year-old Terrence Lee Lennox is the reckless driver who led police on a high speed chase and then a foot chase.

    http://www.11alive.com/news/crime/man-allgedly-shot-by-motorist-while-fleeing-police/451810303
     
  7. MesaCranker

    MesaCranker Active Member

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    Exactly cops can't do that either. We're all bound to the same conditions.
     
  8. GoDores

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    That may be what the law says, but I don't think either of you really believes that a police officer who shoots a fleeing suspect while trying to detain him would find himself in jail facing a 20 year felony charge the same day.
     
  9. Nemo

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    In context Wegahe's comment is totally relevant.

    And in proper context I fail to understand how that your statement is even relevant to this discussion.

    Nemo
     
  10. Rugerer

    Rugerer GeePeeDoHolic

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    He is implying (or maybe I should say I infer) that not being a cop isn't an excuse to walk away and let the cops handle it. Someone who needs help needs help, whether you or he is a cop or not.
     
  11. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Didn't know this happened there until right now. Heard about it though.

    Sounds like a bad shoot.
     
  12. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Cops have IMMUNITY in the lawful course of their duties, especially when on duty.

    You do not.

    They also get a bunch of other perks that are given to them just on account of this idea that so many Americans have drilled into their head known as authority.

    That is also another added perk that helps cops out when they make grave or large mistakes in the course of their duty.

    I've heard of situations where it made huge difference as far as courts, the government, and all types of things end up.

    It matters and makes a huge difference.

    It shouldn't, but it does. That's our fault mostly. All of us.
     
  13. Malum Prohibitum

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    Immunity would not have made a bit of difference in this situation had an officer done the same thing. This is a red herring.
     
  14. GM404

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    Unless another officer did the same thing and it could be construed as reasonable. And the term reasonable sure as hell isn't well defined these days when it comes to cops killing people.
     
  15. mrhutch

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    Bad guy shooting at you or cops? Shoot him. Bad guy running from cops? Point the cops in the right direction and keep out of it.
     
  16. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Or take him down and hold him for the cops. No legal problems there.
     
  17. mrhutch

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    So when you tackle him and accidentally fracture his skull on a rock in the process, causing death, you'd be fine? What if you just broke his leg, or dislocated his knee in the process?

    What about non-lethal force? get within 15 feet and tase him if your able?

    Would a bola be acceptable? or perhaps a rubber shotgun slug or bean bag round?

    The shooter is being charged with aggravated assault. Is the gun-shot wound really the hard and fast line in the sand between assisting an officer and a jail sentence?
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Sigh.
    http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-5/article-2/16-5-21

    (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

    (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;

    (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; or

    (3) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.​

    Ok, so (1) does not apply. (2) and (3) do.

    Pretty simple.

    If somebody is threatening you with a firearm, and you shoot him, you must admit that you committed aggravated assault and claim "justification," in this case "self defense."

    The man in the story has no justification to claim.

    If I tackle him, and he fractures his skull on the pavement, tell me which of the three things above I have violated. (1) does not apply. (2) does not apply. (3) does not apply.

    Same if I broke his leg or dislocated his knee as I tackled him for the police.