Corps Of Engineers carry ban lift may be in progress

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by Glockenator, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Glockenator

    Glockenator Active Member

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    I just got an email from GeorgiaCarry stating that some further steps are underway to get the USACOE to lift their carry ban.

    If this goes through, it will be exceptionally good. It appears that Trump would be a factor in this, via an Execective Order for federal agencies to take a closer look at things.

    I don't have time now to go into all of the specifics and add links, etc. I'm sure other GCO members got that email too, so y'all know what to do.

    Please, let's all do everything we can to assist with this. It is about dang time we become legal to carry on GA lakes and a bunch of other places. Like at Red Top, and the local park where I go mountain biking frequently.

    I am extremely stoked about this and will do whatever I can to help as GCO suggests. But not tonight. I have a new-to-me Glock I got in a trade, and I MUST fiddle with it at the moment!!! :mrgreen:

    Just wanted to get the word out here.
     
  2. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Where's the spot you go biking at? I'm always wanting to check out new places to ride.
     

  3. Glockenator

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    Allatoona Creek Park. Excellent trails. Blankett's Creek is COE property too, but I rarely ride there, because I hate crowded trails. Oh, and because carry is illegal there. 'Toona gets too busy on weekends as well. Same with Rope Mill.
    But Mt Tabor in Dallas has supreme trails, and is not blocked by the federal government carry rules. Open carry all you want there. But be prepared to crash because of loose rocks and slick tree roots. I love the place, but have never done the entire 8+ mile trail system without hopping off of my bike at least twice (either because of an impending crash or my back tire was spinning on uphill roots). Or from really crashing. :mrgreen:
     
  4. Glockenator

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    Doubletap thanks to AT&freakingT garbage
     
  5. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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  6. Glockenator

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    De nada, fellow Georgia carry dude. I always ride solo, but glad to share useful info.
     
  7. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    I submitted my comments to the email address below:

    "​ADDRESSES: You may send comments, identified by docket number COE– 2017–0004, by any of the following methods: • Federal eRulemaking Portal: http:// www.regulations.gov. Docket number COE–2017–0004. Follow the instructions for sending comments. • Email: [email protected] usace.army.mil and include docket number COE–2017–0004 in the subject line of the message"
     
  8. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    This is good news. I see the website for e-comments is down all day today, BUT I'm going to send them a letter snail-mail to their H.Q. in D.C., at 411 G Street NW, Washington, DC 20314-1000.
     
  9. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    I just noticed, per GCO's e-mail, that GCO is advocating for no gun restrictions of any kind on the open fields and waterways of Corps-managed land. Only inside certain security-sensitive buildings and facilities could be off-limits, but only with a new Rule that Corps might propose and pass. This current proposal calls for a flat-out repeal of the Corps' current gun restrictions.

    While that proposal is simple and seems easy to enforce, I think a better plan would be ask for a two-part rule: Permit holders who have a license that generally allows carry in public areas of the state in which the Corps land is located may carry handguns at any non-secure part of the Corps property. Persons without a license are limited to vehicle / tent/ RV carry, so that the federal rule will mirror the laws of most states (hardly any states require a license to keep a gun in your home, in your vehicle, or at your place of business).

    Persons carrying long guns outdoors away from an established camp site may be detained briefly to see if they are lawfully hunting, or on suspicion of unlawful hunting / poaching if reasonable under the circumstances, but openly carrying long guns shall not be per se unlawful nor shall it require a state-issued license.

    None of the above is in my letter to the Corps, but I think that's a more reasonable scheme than a full repeal of all gun restrictions on Corps land.

    I want to give park rangers the authority to discourage poaching, including stopping and questioning people who look like they're hunting even without the ranger seeing them take aim at game in the field.

    And I want to give park rangers and other federal officers the ability to stop people from carrying handguns in public without any license or permit, which, although it may be a state law violation, isn't going to be enforced as a Corps rule unless the Corps specifies it and publishes it as a Rule.
     
  10. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    on the other hand

    On the other hand, the Congressional over-ride of the National Park Service gun ban was a complete repeal that did not add any license requirement, unless such a license was required by the State in which the park is located.

    It just says if you're not a prohibited person and you are carrying a type of firearms in a manner that is not unlawful per state law, it can't be a violation of any federal park rule either.

    So, the feds are deferring to State law on what guns may be carried in which manner, EVEN IF that means each national park may have different laws, and even different parts of the same National Park may have different laws where the federal park extends over a state's boundary line into another state.

    See the CARD act, H>R. 627, enacted in 2009 (and signed by Pres. Obama), specifically section 512 (b).

    So, whatever has been working for National parks for the last 8 years ought to be good enough to apply to Corps of Engineers land now.
     
  11. Khondker

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    Mine didn't go through, what is the email address?
     
  12. Glockenator

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  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    I just submitted mine through the website, too.
     
  14. mark5019

    mark5019 what me worry?

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    same sent thank you
     
  15. Nemo

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    Hope I did it right.
     
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    Good to see that people are adding their comments. I hope people continue to do so.

    Isn't it ironic that we can carry in most state and all national parks in GA, but not on most lakes? Sportsmen not being able to carry self protection while out in the wilds is just wrong on so many levels.

    I have a pretty good gut feeling that this will be rectified. Then we will have Trump and GCO to thank for that.
     
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    Slightly off topic, but how are you carrying while riding? Plan to carry on my bike once my CWP gets here but not a ton of info out there on holsters/packs/etc.
     
  20. Glockenator

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    I haven't been carrying at the ones on COE property. I carried at Mt Tabor today (completely legal there) in an OWB Blackhawk Serpa on my belt. I had an untucked shirt covering it, but that didn't matter at all. I used the Serpa because it has positive active retention, and I crash somewhat frequently, especially at Mt Tabor. Tricky trails there, with big roots, lots of rocks - both big and loose ones. When I go down, I don't want my gun falling out. I also have a Hill People Gear chest holster (operates like a fanny pack on the chest). That works really well too.

    I am not a fan at all of ever carrying off-body, for several reasons. I never, ever leave a gun in my vehicle, unless I legally have to, and then I keep it in a locked box cabled to my seat rails. If I am in the vehicle, the gun is on me. Same way on a bicycle. Too many negative possibilities when the gun is separate.