yup. failure to obey an officer's commands or making any sudden movements with your hands is a death sentence now :-(
Cop Who Shot Air Force Member Cleared
I didn't see this posted anywhere and if not for being related to one of the attorneys representing the Airman, I don't know that I would have ever heard about it.
Long story short, person (Davidson) got out of his car holding (excuse me...brandishing) his wallet and after "refusing" to comply with the officer, was shot once in the abdomen. On appeal to the US Ct of Appeals, the court found that...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...waving-wallet-graphic-video-article-1.2995182
Moral of the story: Keep your damn hands where they can be seen!
A couple of things that bug me. One: After the officers obviously determine that they shot an unarmed man, they did NOTHING to render aid. That seems to be REALLY f*ed up in my mind. And two: I wonder if this would have gotten more (any!) publicity had Davidson been a black man?
Long story short, person (Davidson) got out of his car holding (excuse me...brandishing) his wallet and after "refusing" to comply with the officer, was shot once in the abdomen. On appeal to the US Ct of Appeals, the court found that...
Link to updated story w/ dashcam video:After careful consideration and review of a video recording of the shooting, viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to Davidson, we conclude that a reasonable officer in Hancock's position would have feared for his life.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...waving-wallet-graphic-video-article-1.2995182
Moral of the story: Keep your damn hands where they can be seen!
A couple of things that bug me. One: After the officers obviously determine that they shot an unarmed man, they did NOTHING to render aid. That seems to be REALLY f*ed up in my mind. And two: I wonder if this would have gotten more (any!) publicity had Davidson been a black man?
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Bad shoot. I have nothing else to say. Watch the video for yourself. Bad shoot.
I tend to agree and I am still annoyed that it has received so little coverage.Bad shoot. I have nothing else to say. Watch the video for yourself. Bad shoot.
The attorney that I know was pissed that it took so long for the video to be released. Opaloka did everything in their power to keep it under wraps and even went so far to claim that they "found" 5 empty (and one full) package of spice in the car, yet Davidson was never charged.
Said attorney also took this case on contingency and is out over $60K for this "charade" of justice.
If you are interested, here is the opinion from the 11th Circuit.
http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/files/201610857.pdf
Unless the audio and video are not properly synchronized in the version of the video available at the link in the first post, the Eleventh Circuit's description of the events shown in the video at the time of the shooting are inaccurate.If you are interested, here is the opinion from the 11th Circuit.
http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/files/201610857.pdf
i think your version of the moral of the story leaves a lot to be desiredI didn't see this posted anywhere and if not for being related to one of the attorneys representing the Airman, I don't know that I would have ever heard about it.
Long story short, person (Davidson) got out of his car holding (excuse me...brandishing) his wallet and after "refusing" to comply with the officer, was shot once in the abdomen. On appeal to the US Ct of Appeals, the court found that...
Link to updated story w/ dashcam video:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...waving-wallet-graphic-video-article-1.2995182
Moral of the story: Keep your damn hands where they can be seen!
A couple of things that bug me. One: After the officers obviously determine that they shot an unarmed man, they did NOTHING to render aid. That seems to be REALLY f*ed up in my mind. And two: I wonder if this would have gotten more (any!) publicity had Davidson been a black man?
Absolutely agree.
The totally of the circumstances shows an old guy not doing anything that appeared to be a threat, other than fumbling with his wallet.
And at first look of the inches wide video, I clearly saw a wallet. I imagine everything would look larger on scene.
While many police shoots are clearly justified, this one is just another one of those cases where a spooked officer shot first and asked questions later.
And even when learning the man could not possibly be a threat at all, let him bleed out before getting him help.
He could have easily died right there.
I'm just astonished at the idiot judges not being able to see what happened here. I believe they are fully aware, but are covering the officer in order to keep police work from becoming "unduly burdensome".
Thankfully, all judges will one day be judged by the Highest Judge.
The totally of the circumstances shows an old guy not doing anything that appeared to be a threat, other than fumbling with his wallet.
And at first look of the inches wide video, I clearly saw a wallet. I imagine everything would look larger on scene.
While many police shoots are clearly justified, this one is just another one of those cases where a spooked officer shot first and asked questions later.
And even when learning the man could not possibly be a threat at all, let him bleed out before getting him help.
He could have easily died right there.
I'm just astonished at the idiot judges not being able to see what happened here. I believe they are fully aware, but are covering the officer in order to keep police work from becoming "unduly burdensome".
Thankfully, all judges will one day be judged by the Highest Judge.
Bad shoot. I have nothing else to say. Watch the video for yourself. Bad shoot.
That is a dirty shoot. Dirty Dirty Shoot.
It appears the cop will not see justice. But its near on almost dirty enough someone should take some justice to that cop. Yeah, bad thought and I shall think it no more.
Nemo
It appears the cop will not see justice. But its near on almost dirty enough someone should take some justice to that cop. Yeah, bad thought and I shall think it no more.
Nemo
If what I saw in the video allows 'reasonable officers' to justifiably kill citizens, officers and judges should quit bitching about the citizenry holding their professions with such low regard."After careful consideration and review of a video recording of the shooting, viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to Davidson, we conclude that a reasonable officer in Hancock's position would have feared for his life," the three-judge panel wrote in the ruling.
Perhaps, but how do you fight a system that is rigged against you? To be honest, I feel pretty powerless.i think your version of the moral of the story leaves a lot to be desired
I thought that too. Even more annoying is that this didn't even make it to trial. I'm not sure if a jury would agree with the trial court AND the appeals court.Unless the audio and video are not properly synchronized in the version of the video available at the link in the first post, the Eleventh Circuit's description of the events shown in the video at the time of the shooting are inaccurate.
The entire purpose of immunity is to keep the case from a jury.I thought that too. Even more annoying is that this didn't even make it to trial. I'm not sure if a jury would agree with the trial court AND the appeals court.
When you do not comply with an officers commands, you should expect to get shot.
Not a very good moral at all. Davidson's hands were clearly visible as he was trying to push his way out of a canted vehicle. Contrary to the cop's comment, Davidson didn't quickly jump out of the car. A better moral might be to not exit your vehicle with anything in your hands lest the king's agent fears for his life.Moral of the story: Keep your damn hands where they can be seen!
That's normally a very good point. Where in this incident didn't Davidson attempt to comply with the cop's command? Davidson's mistake was having something (his wallet?) in his hands which Officer Quickshot confused for a gun.When you do not comply with an officers commands, you should expect to get shot.
Something else I wonder is how clear were the cop's instructions? Sure, it sounded loud and clear over the microphone, but with Davidson a good distance away and traffic nearby (not only to mention being blinded by the spotlight from the cop's car) I would imagine it wasn't clear at all.That's normally a very good point. Where in this incident didn't Davidson attempt to comply with the cop's command? Davidson's mistake was having something (his wallet?) in his hands which Officer Quickshot confused for a gun.
simple. stop supporting it.Perhaps, but how do you fight a system that is rigged against you? To be honest, I feel pretty powerless.
I still maintain that a lot more officers are going to be shot in the line of duty due to instances like this. They have completely lost the faith of the public and until they learn to clean up their own back yard when they do wrong, this will get out of hand. Lying for a fellow officer that should be kicked off of the force is wrong and needs to be stopped. In the same vein, when an officer is fired for due cause, he should not be able to go down the street and get a job at the next town. At a minimum, he should lose his post certification for year and depending on what they did, lose it for life. They also need to be prosecuted when criminal charges should be brought against them without ANY immunity, just like the rest of us.
Sounds harsh? Get a different job. Not everyone is suited for law enforcement and the public should not have to pay for their mistakes. Be it a bad shoot or a power trip, get rid of them. As an aside, one other item pisses me off to no end. Being called a "civilian" by an officer that is a "civilian" as well. Last time I checked, unless you are carrying military ID, you are a civilian in the eyes of the law. The police are part of the CIVIL authority, not the military authority.
Reminds of an engineer from China on a jobsite we were at. He didn't like the suggestions we were proposing to make the job easier. He said "Must respect engineer" My guy came right back with "Engineer must earn respect". That is where we are at in this country. The police need to earn the respect of the people again. It is not "us vs them", it is ALL of us together.
Sounds harsh? Get a different job. Not everyone is suited for law enforcement and the public should not have to pay for their mistakes. Be it a bad shoot or a power trip, get rid of them. As an aside, one other item pisses me off to no end. Being called a "civilian" by an officer that is a "civilian" as well. Last time I checked, unless you are carrying military ID, you are a civilian in the eyes of the law. The police are part of the CIVIL authority, not the military authority.
Reminds of an engineer from China on a jobsite we were at. He didn't like the suggestions we were proposing to make the job easier. He said "Must respect engineer" My guy came right back with "Engineer must earn respect". That is where we are at in this country. The police need to earn the respect of the people again. It is not "us vs them", it is ALL of us together.
I'm hard on law enforcement. I'm also their biggest supporter. I dispute that "they have completely lost the faith of the public". and it's not just the code of silence, it's the district attorneys and FEDERAL JUDGES that are making excuses for this kind of behavior. They are all complicit.I still maintain that a lot more officers are going to be shot in the line of duty due to instances like this. They have completely lost the faith of the public and until they learn to clean up their own back yard when they do wrong, this will get out of hand. Lying for a fellow officer that should be kicked off of the force is wrong and needs to be stopped.
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