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If you thought the dems commies have a hard-on for "assault weapons" why not go one better and have one for "concealable assault weapons?" Yes, concealable. Whatever the hell that means because those stupid bastards don't even define them but they want them regulated under the NFA.

The House GunViolence Prevention Task Force calls on you to take strong executive action to address serious inequities in the implementation of the National Firearms Act which is the federal law regulating the manufacture, transfer, and possession of certain classes of firearms. For too long, gun manufacturers in order to circumvent the National Firearms Act have designed and marketed concealable AR-15 style firearms which fire rifle rounds.
But wait a minute. Further down the page is this tidbit.
Some of the features exploited by criminals and included for enhanced regulation under the NFA include, sawed off shotguns, rifles with short barrels and weapons with a high capacity of firing like machine guns.
So these really smart people are asking "President" Biden to regulate SBRs, SBSs and machine guns under the NFA. Wait! What??!!



Ammoland article.
 

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AR pistols dude and that straight rifled Reformation ”firearm” AR that one of those binary trigger companies make. One or more active shooter turds used one during the first half of Trumps administration.
 

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Yeah, along with those short barrel, large magazine, plastic frame, holster carriable, under jacket concealable, single hand controllable assault firearms. You know, like that Austrian company makes. Whats the name-- Glock or similar?

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AR pistols dude and that straight rifled Reformation ”firearm” AR that one of those binary trigger companies make. One or more active shooter turds used one during the first half of Trumps administration.
Those weapons are no more "concealable" than any other existing SBR. Those clowns are trying to resurrect the ATF's quashed attempt in 2020 (the Q Honey Badger) to reclassify pistol braces by creating a new category of weapons that doesn't actually exist. Much like the so-called "assault weapons." A "concealable" SBR certainly must be more dangerous and sinister than your everyday SBR. And the ignorant public will buy it because it's for their saaaaaaaafty. :eek:
 

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Is a modified version of a semi-automatic assault rifle or submachine gun a "loophole" in the NFA of 1934 that is being exploited today?
No, because both the semi-automatic operation and the availability of high-capacity detachable magazines were well-known to Congress in 1934 (and 1968), and Congress CHOSE to draw the line where they did.
Now, are "non-shotgun firearms" that have 14" barrels and look like sawed-off shotguns a "loophole" in the NFA that is now being exploited?
Maybe. I'm certain such "firearms" would have been put in the NFA back in 1934 had somebody told that generation of Congress-critters about the loophole and predicted that in the future it would be widely exploited. Congress of that era really did want to differentiate long guns made for sport and long guns made for homicide / combat, and the latter type of long guns were supposed to be more heavily regulated and taxed.

(Originally, all handguns were also proposed to be more hight
ly regulated, as non-sporting, but that was too strong, too much gun control that would impact too many ordinary Americans who always owned the same types of handguns that police and military forces issued.)
 

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Congress of that era really did want to differentiate long guns made for sport and long guns made for homicide / combat, and the latter type of long guns were supposed to be more heavily regulated and taxed.
The standard issue combat long gun was bolt action in 1934. The Garand was not standard issue until 1936, and even that was semiautomatic. The Tommy Gun was purchased by the military first in 1928, but it was not in widespread use until WWII, well after Congress passed the NFA.

The Tommy Gun was well known as a "criminal" gun, though, as was a prevalence of "sawed off" shotguns and rifles among criminal gangs, as evidence by the BAR used by Clyde Barrow and the Miller v. US case being a "sawed off" shotgun.

Congress meant to NFA handguns, too, all of them, not just "military" handguns. That got pulled out at the end due to popular objection, but not some of the things that went along with the attempt to include handguns, which is why the NFA is nonsensical in parts and has "loopholes."

They were aiming at the "crime wave" sweeping the country during prohibition, not "military" weapons.
 

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"Concealable Assault Rifles" are the latest marketing spin from Bloomberg's Mad Momz. Notice how over 100 CongressCritters all used the exact same phrase at once. As with most of their spin, it's pretty good from a marketing perspective. Short on truth and facts, but since when has that ever slowed them down. The real effect is that it solidifies the phony idea of an "assault rifle" based on DiFi's cosmetic definitions. It assumes the existence of such an artifact and then proceeds to add an absurd modifier to that concept.

Remember, this is not a grassroots push, it is a focused, well-funded, coordinated effort to undermine freedom and effectively reinstate a de-facto nobility based on wealth. Nobles can afford armed retainers. Peasants can't and shouldn't be allowed to own the means of self protection without prohibitively expensive training, insurance (which the state regulators will crush ala New York), and other cost-adding measures. At least that is how Bloomberg, et al view the world.
 

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AK pistols are very concealable under a jacket or coat. Not having a buffer tube makes it a good bit shorter than an AR pistol. I have one of my AK pistols rugged so I can sling it up to my chest so I can conceal it under a coat.
 

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The anti-gunners are correct in noticing that a pistol version of an AK-47 ( such as a Mini Draco or Micro Draco or whatever that baby AK-47 is called) is a different breed of firearm from either a standard long gun or standard handgun, and it's clearly not a weapon that is suitable for sport. Unlike most other guns, it's not a multipupose or multi-role gun. It's JUST FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE, nothing else. Good for murder or lawful use of deadly force. Good for robbing banks and for shooting armed robbers, both!

I can say that it is CORRECT and PROPER to recognize that these guns are both a modern phenomenon AND a new risk, which such guns fall into the hands of gang-bangers and other criminal types, WHILE STILL DENYING that we need more "gun control" as to such guns, and without saying the 2nd Amendment would even allow significant restrictions on such guns.
 

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Then maybe they should be treated as pistols, subject to precisely the same restrictions.
 

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Haaaay they were concealable under the coats on the matrix. Neo and a sheet load of guns under his trench coat and so did the hottie, Trinity, just saying
 

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This is a real threat. Pistol AR15s with arm braces are very popular today. There was commentary posted here from ATF higher ups that pistol braces were high on they priority list for outlawing (don't you love it when a law enforcement agency has an agenda rather than just follows the laws?).

I can't find it to link it right now.

We also had the "guidance" on this issue that was issued for a short time last year and then rescinded.
 

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Read more: Unaccountable ATF Heads Colluding With Biden to Ban Pistol Braces & Lowers
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"November 10th, 2020, during an ATF conference call, Acting Director Regina Lombardo told those in attendance that the anti-gun Biden transition team has reached out to the ATF to get the agency’s “top priorities”.

AmmoLand News’ anonymous source said Lombardo told those on the call that her priorities would be pistol braces and 80% lower receivers."
 

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This is a real threat. Pistol AR15s with arm braces are very popular today. There was commentary posted here from ATF higher ups that pistol braces were high on they priority list for outlawing (don't you love it when a law enforcement agency has an agenda rather than just follows the laws?).

I can't find it to link it right now.
 

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The anti-gunners are correct in noticing that a pistol version of an AK-47 ( such as a Mini Draco or Micro Draco or whatever that baby AK-47 is called) is a different breed of firearm from either a standard long gun or standard handgun, and it's clearly not a weapon that is suitable for sport. Unlike most other guns, it's not a multipupose or multi-role gun. It's JUST FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE, nothing else. Good for murder or lawful use of deadly force. Good for robbing banks and for shooting armed robbers, both!

I can say that it is CORRECT and PROPER to recognize that these guns are both a modern phenomenon AND a new risk, which such guns fall into the hands of gang-bangers and other criminal types, WHILE STILL DENYING that we need more "gun control" as to such guns, and without saying the 2nd Amendment would even allow significant restrictions on such guns.
Well, which is it? It can't be both.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Sportsmens Society, being necessary to the sporting purposes of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms for sporting purposes shall not be infringed.
 

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I can remember back when the very definition of an assault weapon was “too big to carry conceal”.
 

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I can remember back when the very definition of an assault weapon was “too big to carry conceal”.
Yeah. Those Lahti 20mm anti-tank rifles were a real PITA to drag around. :ROFLMAO:

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