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FoxNews.com[/URL]]Colorado Students Walk Out During Pledge, Recite Own Version
Thursday, September 27, 2007

BOULDER, Colo. â€" About 50 Boulder High School students walked out of class Thursday to protest the daily reading of the Pledge of Allegiance and recited their own version, omitting "one nation, under God."

The students say the phrase violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

They also say the daily reading of the pledge over the school public address system at the start of the second class takes away from education time and is ignored or mocked by some students.

A state law passed in 2004 requires schools to offer the opportunity to recite the pledge each day but does not require students to participate.

The protesting students, members of the Student Worker Club, want administrators to hold the pledge reading in the auditorium during each of the school's two lunch periods for any students who want to participate.

Otherwise, they said, they plan to walk out each Thursday when the pledge is read and recite their version, which omits the reference to God and adds allegiance to constitutional rights, diversity and freedom, among other things.

"Boulder High has a highly diverse population, not all of whom believe in God, or one God," said Emma Martens, a senior and president of the club, which has about a dozen members.

"We didn't think it was fair for the whole school to have to listen to it. It's almost religious oppression," she said.

Principal Bud Jenkins told the Camera newspaper on its Web site Thursday the pledge will not be moved, but added he was proud of the students for standing up for their beliefs.

It was not immediately clear what discipline, if any, the protesting students would face.
 

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The students say the phrase violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Oh, really?

When did they pass that amendment? It must be new, because it's not in my copy sitting here.
 
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The students say the phrase violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Oh, really?

When did they pass that amendment? It must be new, because it's not in my copy sitting here.
American Constitution:
[1] the will of the sheeple
[2] a desire to be guided
[3] a mythical document outlining freedoms guaranteed to American Citizens (but not Cane) and a framework for the American Government
 

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pro2am said:
Don't forget, the students are at that magical age where they know everything.
That is exactly what I was thinking when I read this article. While I applaud their willingness to stand up for their beliefs, they are still too young to have fully developed their belief system. Only time & experience will teach them how stupid they were in their youth.
 

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gsusnake said:
The students say the phrase violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Oh, really?

When did they pass that amendment? It must be new, because it's not in my copy sitting here.
The other thing is that it's a pledge to the flag not the "state". Most people of the patriotic sort would agree that the flag represents way, way more than the government.
 

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At what point did "freedom of religion" become "freedom from religion"? :?
 

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I applaud them for exercising free speech, but "separation of church and state" is definitely a misnomer.
+1

If you don't want to say it fine. Sit down & shut up. You walk out of class without authorization then you get detention (or whatever other punishment is suitable).
 

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its just an excuse, like the kid who is refusing to cut his hair because he is a rastafarian. Oh yeah, he is white too, and red headed...

Ben Daly, 18, said he's been punished by the school district.

Daly said he is willing to take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

In the meantime, Daly said he has contacted the American Civil Liberties Union.
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Now, the former Baptist turned Rastafarian said he's being punished.

Daly said he is being isolated from the rest of his classmates because of his hair. He said sometimes he gets lonely, but the school district said he violated their rules and must be disciplined.
 

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Here is how most liberals see the constitution....


saw this at B&N :(
 

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At what point did "freedom of religion" become "freedom from religion"? :?
I'm not even particularly religious (I get to Mass when I can, not that often) and this crap still pisses off my religious sensibilities.
 

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I am agnostic. However, the words "under god" don't offend me. However, they were never originally a part of the pledge. Not until 1954.

The Pledge of Allegiance

The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:

"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."

This was the last change made to the Pledge of Allegiance. The 23 words what had been initially penned for a Columbus Day celebration now comprised a Thirty-one profession of loyalty and devotion to not only a flag, but to a way of life....the American ideal. Those words now read:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1954
The original version was:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

October 11, 1892
...then it was changed the first time, quite some time later:

I pledge allegiance to my the
Flag of the United States,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1923
...and again a year later...

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1924
...so...you can see that for the first 62 years, there was no "under god" in the pledge.

Whether it stays in there or not, I personally don't care one way or the other. But, most people don't realize it wasn't originally part of the pledge.
 

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The people of this country shouldn't be pledging allegiance but rather the politicians pledging allegiance to the people.

I STILL DON'T say the pledge of allegiance. I love my country, i love our military, and i fly an american flag. But i don't pledge allegiance to it.

After all, that flag WAS a flag flown against this great state (granted a few less stars in the canton). It may be a flag flown against it again for reasons we cannot foresee.

I pledge to be a good Georgian and a good American. I pledge to stand for freedom and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Domestic enemies might use that very flag. I don't care about the symbol. I care about American freedom. I care about the soldiers who died to give me that freedom. I WILL NOT LET THEM DIE IN VAIN.

Yes those kids probably don't have half a brain yet. But it's their right to speak in how they feel (at this moment) They will change their minds later, when they mature, we know that. But you gotta let em start somewhere, right or wrong in your beliefs.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
asbrand said:
But, most people don't realize it wasn't originally part of the pledge.
I would be surprised to discover that was true, that is, among people who are even aware it is in there now.
I wouldn't be. The ignorance of people no longer amazes me.
 

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JiG said:
Yes those kids probably don't have half a brain yet.
Probably not, after all it was a public school. [That was just a joke. I'm not opening an old can of worms or trying to pick a fight. It was just too good to pass up.
 
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