Sheesh :jawdropper:Malum Prohibitum said:I got soft and let a guy keep his hand in his pocket once because it was brutally cold outside. When I finally went to arrest him, he really hesitated about taking his hand out of his pocket. I grabbed him from behind and kepted him pinned up against the fender of his car (gently) and held onto his right arm with my other free hand and told him to take his hand out. He did. I handcuffed him. When I checked the pocket, there was a small .25 auto in there.triggerman357 said:I believe it's a bad idea to have your hand in your pocket during a police encounter.
I never let another person keep their hand in their pocket again after that. I am sure some people thought I was a jerk for my sudden orders on this issue, but, well, one must learn from his experience when given the chance to learn.
+1 also.Sharky said:+1phaed said:good shoot.
lawyers are trying to say he was just "raising his hands" like ordered. it's bullshit, and they know it.
the subject pulled 1 hand out of his pocket and pointed it at the officer while his other stayed down. that's not compliance. any of us shooters know what that stance and that movement portrays. he was seeking suicide by cop, on drugs, crazy, or all the above imo.
mamma's probably just trying to capitalize off of the screwed up son she didn't care to raise correctly.
So you know what the cop thought?Malum Prohibitum said:If you were the cop, you would have thought he had a gun in his hand right then. That's it. Decision time. No "do overs."
The video was at least 30 degrees from the FOV of the officer. You couldn't possibly know for sure.Malum Prohibitum said:No, I know what you would have thought, if you were the cop!
The determination of justified is not "knowing for sure".foshizzle said:
reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person
I can palm my Keltec P3AT so that a person viewing the back side of my hand would have no clue that I am holding a gun.(16) "Reasonable belief" means that the person concerned, acting as a reasonable man, believes that the described facts exist.
There's that and: If a LEO has a gun pointed at you, keep your hands high and do exactly what he says, when he says it.M249 said:Wow. It looks like he was just drunk off his arse and trying to hold his ID out, but in the same situation as the LEO, I think I would have shot as well.
Moral of the Story: Don't drive drunk, asshat.